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Protein Feeders - Free Choice gravity vs Electronic Timed #8782962 01/18/23 03:18 PM
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Pros and cons of the two. Currently, I'm running a 350lb. free choice gravity feeder (3 tubes) on my sub 100 acre place in SW Young county. Deer burn through that feeder in 3-4 weeks pretty consistently, generally feed protein Jan.- Aug. with corn spinfeeders year round. Used to feed protein year round but found nearly all of my protein consumption nocturnally so have stopped the free choice feeding, Oct.-Dec. with the exception of a t-post, 75lb. free choice feeder per my 2 feeder pens, just to attract them in some for protein, Oct.-Dec. On such a small place, the goal of protein is more an additional attractant in addition to health of herd. That said, I'm throwing around the idea of adding an 800lb. or 1000lb. Electronic, timed protein feeder as I understand these are good to more condition the deer to feed in daytime hours too. What say THF regarding electronic timed protein feeders based on personal knowledge and experiences vs free choice, gravity style?

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Timed All Season, second season of use for me. Set it and forget it, 0700. No coons. It's in the same pen as my corn feeder. I feed corn 365 days, protein from mid August to end of deer season. Big bucks beefing up for the rut hit it hard.


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Those big bucks hit it hard in morning to mid morning?

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I have no first hand experience with them. However, if you want to use as an attractant, it makes sense to time it so they are attracted WHEN you want them attracted. You can also set a budget you can stick with. This obviously isnt news to you but just affirming your thoughts.


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I would say the timed feeders are good 1) if the deer feed regularly/daily
2) BUT if deer/animals are not hitting the protein, its going to throw feed, its going to mold quickly and the waste will increase $$$$$

You mentioned your 350# feeders are going empty in 3-4 weeks. Are they penned or in the open? Do you know if it is deer that is exclusively eating protein or do you have hogs bumping protein to the ground and/or raccoons? I am guessing your protein feeders are Boss Buck?

SO there's the good and bad (like most everything in this world)

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Originally Posted by DQ Kid
Those big bucks hit it hard in morning to mid morning?


Yes, until about mid October. By this time, they're looking for does, but are accustomed to being in my area. Does will begin to hit the protein now that the bucks are not. I've never shot a buck at my feeder. Both of these were there for the does during rut, both following them like high school boys. I have lots of pic's of the 8 at the feeder during Sept & Oct, but none during November. The 10, never saw him until the moment I shot him, but he was hot on a doe that was a frequent visitor to my area. [Linked Image]
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If you feed protein in the PM, coons will get all, or most of it.

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Re: Protein Feeders - Free Choice gravity vs Electronic Timed [Re: ctonsmitty] #8783004 01/18/23 04:24 PM
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I would say the timed feeders are good 1) if the deer feed regularly/daily
2) BUT if deer/animals are not hitting the protein, its going to throw feed, its going to mold quickly and the waste will increase $$$$$

You mentioned your 350# feeders are going empty in 3-4 weeks. Are they penned or in the open? Do you know if it is deer that is exclusively eating protein or do you have hogs bumping protein to the ground and/or raccoons? I am guessing your protein feeders are Boss Buck?

SO there's the good and bad (like most everything in this world)

It doesn't "throw" feed. It dumps into a covered, perforated tray. It's a few lbs per day, about 6.5 on m current setting. It will be eaten. If not, you need to find a new lease.


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Originally Posted by ctonsmitty
I would say the timed feeders are good 1) if the deer feed regularly/daily
2) BUT if deer/animals are not hitting the protein, its going to throw feed, its going to mold quickly and the waste will increase $$$$$

You mentioned your 350# feeders are going empty in 3-4 weeks. Are they penned or in the open? Do you know if it is deer that is exclusively eating protein or do you have hogs bumping protein to the ground and/or raccoons? I am guessing your protein feeders are Boss Buck?

SO there's the good and bad (like most everything in this world)

Nope, 55 gallon barrel with tubes and penned. Few coons, no hogs and several doe and bucks nightly, very early mornings.

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I have a ranch kind 1000 pound timed protein feeder and I love it. I believe I have it set on 10-12 seconds a feed which comes out to 1000 pounds every 34 days. I feed January to the end of September. I like the fact that I know I’m feeding the deer not the coons, I know exactly when it goes empty and I do think helps pattern the deer some.

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I have fed protein free choice or in timed feeders since 1990. Feeding deer free choice can get expensive but it does not make them nocturnal. They are nocturnal due them not living on your place. They are having to travel to far to get to you feeder in the daylight mainly. Timed trough style feeders have their place and you can feed to your budget. I feed year round no matter what style feeder I use. Right now I have 4-600# All Season timed trough feeders in pens. From mid Jan. till late August I feed from 2-4 times per day and only feed at night. Deer, bucks especially, are much more comfortable feeding at night. This time of the year they have been pressured and will readily feed at night. In the heat of the summer it makes no sense to try to get a mature buck in a feed pen when it is still 100° at sundown. IME I have found that bucks feed most (free choice) from 11pm till 4am. I feed with my timed feeders from right at or just after dark. Then again after midnight and finally about 30 minutes to 45 minutes before daylight. By doing this I have found I mainly feed bucks and they are who I am targeting. Does still come in but not as often...some pens I never see a doe at a protein feeder. When Sept 1st hits I change my times for protein to 15 minutes after daylight in the mornings and then sundown in the evenings. I have no trouble seeing bucks when doing this. The longer you do the same routine the more bucks you raise on the feeder routine...the better your hunting gets. Especially in archery season. I still corn feed year round just not very much from late Feb till late August and mainly at dark or daylight. I then spin corn 4 times per day in hunting season and lots of it. So I have a feeder going off 3 times in the mornings and 3 times in the evenings all at different times at all locations. Protein is great for growing bucks but also great as an attractant. I do hunt my feeders but never shoot a deer inside a feeder pen. That is what a road feeder is for.


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Originally Posted by stxranchman
I have fed protein free choice or in timed feeders since 1990. Feeding deer free choice can get expensive but it does not make them nocturnal. They are nocturnal due them not living on your place. They are having to travel to far to get to you feeder in the daylight mainly. Timed trough style feeders have their place and you can feed to your budget. I feed year round no matter what style feeder I use. Right now I have 4-600# All Season timed trough feeders in pens. From mid Jan. till late August I feed from 2-4 times per day and only feed at night. Deer, bucks especially, are much more comfortable feeding at night. This time of the year they have been pressured and will readily feed at night. In the heat of the summer it makes no sense to try to get a mature buck in a feed pen when it is still 100° at sundown. IME I have found that bucks feed most (free choice) from 11pm till 4am. I feed with my timed feeders from right at or just after dark. Then again after midnight and finally about 30 minutes to 45 minutes before daylight. By doing this I have found I mainly feed bucks and they are who I am targeting. Does still come in but not as often...some pens I never see a doe at a protein feeder. When Sept 1st hits I change my times for protein to 15 minutes after daylight in the mornings and then sundown in the evenings. I have no trouble seeing bucks when doing this. The longer you do the same routine the more bucks you raise on the feeder routine...the better your hunting gets. Especially in archery season. I still corn feed year round just not very much from late Feb till late August and mainly at dark or daylight. I then spin corn 4 times per day in hunting season and lots of it. So I have a feeder going off 3 times in the mornings and 3 times in the evenings all at different times at all locations. Protein is great for growing bucks but also great as an attractant. I do hunt my feeders but never shoot a deer inside a feeder pen. That is what a road feeder is for.

Like this method a lot...

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We feed protein free choice year round at 5 out of 12 feed stations (all 12 have corn). During heavy use periods can easily go through 5000lbs a month. These 5 are spread out throughout the ranch and average 1+ miles away from each other. Stations with just corn average 0.4 miles away from each other. We consistently have found protein, at all times of the year, is a greater attractant than corn to bucks in our herd. Bucks will consistently travel significant distances just to eat the protein while corn is more often ignored. Some of that has to due with bucks living off ranch likely having corn where they are and not protein, but even local bucks will skip a close corn feeder and travel the longer distance to go to protein. As STX mentioned, a lot of bucks are at night because of that. This year we are getting all season timed protein feeders to put at the balance of feed stations. We think this will result in more daylight observations as deer aren’t traveling as far. Should also help the WT compete with the red deer, as WT won’t come near a feeder that has 10+, even 5+ reds in it and reds are protein pigs. So it will give the WT more opportunities to get to the protein without pressure.

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I set a ranch up in South Texas that had just added 3700 acres. They had 10 free choice 2000# feeders on the original 1400 acres. I decided to go with 25 timed 2000# trough feeders and basically set each one to feed according to what the deer would eat from Feb till Aug. Some fed as much as 60# per day while others fed 10# per day. It was PITA but I kept up with the times and adjusted weekly. We had a timer from Austin the was a Geotimer IIRC...I set them to go off 15 minutes after sundown and 30 minutes before sunrise then 2-3 more set times at night. The timer self-adjusted to day length so it was never adjusted after that first setting. From Sept till Feb I fed only in the daylight hours and fed 4 times per day. I mixed corn and 20% protein and fed at that time. We also had a corn feeder in each pen feeding twice per day. But I road fed everyday.
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I feed free choice on 1400 acres.

But very low exotic numbers. A friend has the entire exotics catalog on his place and he's forced using timers.

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Originally Posted by stxranchman
I set a ranch up in South Texas that had just added 3700 acres. They had 10 free choice 2000# feeders on the original 1400 acres. I decided to go with 25 timed 2000# trough feeders and basically set each one to feed according to what the deer would eat from Feb till Aug. Some fed as much as 60# per day while others fed 10# per day. It was PITA but I kept up with the times and adjusted weekly. We had a timer from Austin the was a Geotimer IIRC...I set them to go off 15 minutes after sundown and 30 minutes before sunrise then 2-3 more set times at night. The timer self-adjusted to day length so it was never adjusted after that first setting. From Sept till Feb I fed only in the daylight hours and fed 4 times per day. I mixed corn and 20% protein and fed at that time. We also had a corn feeder in each pen feeding twice per day. But I road fed everyday.
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Who makes that #2000 lb timed feeder? I have several ASF #1000, but that #2000 looks interesting.....

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Originally Posted by Woj
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I set a ranch up in South Texas that had just added 3700 acres. They had 10 free choice 2000# feeders on the original 1400 acres. I decided to go with 25 timed 2000# trough feeders and basically set each one to feed according to what the deer would eat from Feb till Aug. Some fed as much as 60# per day while others fed 10# per day. It was PITA but I kept up with the times and adjusted weekly. We had a timer from Austin the was a Geotimer IIRC...I set them to go off 15 minutes after sundown and 30 minutes before sunrise then 2-3 more set times at night. The timer self-adjusted to day length so it was never adjusted after that first setting. From Sept till Feb I fed only in the daylight hours and fed 4 times per day. I mixed corn and 20% protein and fed at that time. We also had a corn feeder in each pen feeding twice per day. But I road fed everyday.
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Who makes that #2000 lb timed feeder? I have several ASF #1000, but that #2000 looks interesting.....

Those were made by American Hunter back in the 90's to early 2000's. They sold to a larger sport group....GSM... who later dropped that line of feeders all together. It was a combo feeder. You could remove the spinner plate to feed free choice...but a lot of feed was exposed to weather. You could feed timed protein. You could also remove a 2 piece cover at the bottom of the funnel/top of the feed tube to expose the spinner plate to make it a corn spin feeder. I changed "The Timer" out to a Geo timer that was a much better timer for feeding the way I did. It self adjusted to sunrise and sunset daily. I don't think they even make them anymore though now.


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I set a ranch up in South Texas that had just added 3700 acres. They had 10 free choice 2000# feeders on the original 1400 acres. I decided to go with 25 timed 2000# trough feeders and basically set each one to feed according to what the deer would eat from Feb till Aug. Some fed as much as 60# per day while others fed 10# per day. It was PITA but I kept up with the times and adjusted weekly. We had a timer from Austin the was a Geotimer IIRC...I set them to go off 15 minutes after sundown and 30 minutes before sunrise then 2-3 more set times at night. The timer self-adjusted to day length so it was never adjusted after that first setting. From Sept till Feb I fed only in the daylight hours and fed 4 times per day. I mixed corn and 20% protein and fed at that time. We also had a corn feeder in each pen feeding twice per day. But I road fed everyday.
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Who makes that #2000 lb timed feeder? I have several ASF #1000, but that #2000 looks interesting.....

I have thought hard about taking my 600 lb ASF to a sheet metal shop for an increase to the hopper.


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I set a ranch up in South Texas that had just added 3700 acres. They had 10 free choice 2000# feeders on the original 1400 acres. I decided to go with 25 timed 2000# trough feeders and basically set each one to feed according to what the deer would eat from Feb till Aug. Some fed as much as 60# per day while others fed 10# per day. It was PITA but I kept up with the times and adjusted weekly. We had a timer from Austin the was a Geotimer IIRC...I set them to go off 15 minutes after sundown and 30 minutes before sunrise then 2-3 more set times at night. The timer self-adjusted to day length so it was never adjusted after that first setting. From Sept till Feb I fed only in the daylight hours and fed 4 times per day. I mixed corn and 20% protein and fed at that time. We also had a corn feeder in each pen feeding twice per day. But I road fed everyday.
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Who makes that #2000 lb timed feeder? I have several ASF #1000, but that #2000 looks interesting.....

I have thought hard about taking my 600 lb ASF to a sheet metal shop for an increase to the hopper.

Interesting idea.


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I set a ranch up in South Texas that had just added 3700 acres. They had 10 free choice 2000# feeders on the original 1400 acres. I decided to go with 25 timed 2000# trough feeders and basically set each one to feed according to what the deer would eat from Feb till Aug. Some fed as much as 60# per day while others fed 10# per day. It was PITA but I kept up with the times and adjusted weekly. We had a timer from Austin the was a Geotimer IIRC...I set them to go off 15 minutes after sundown and 30 minutes before sunrise then 2-3 more set times at night. The timer self-adjusted to day length so it was never adjusted after that first setting. From Sept till Feb I fed only in the daylight hours and fed 4 times per day. I mixed corn and 20% protein and fed at that time. We also had a corn feeder in each pen feeding twice per day. But I road fed everyday.
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Who makes that #2000 lb timed feeder? I have several ASF #1000, but that #2000 looks interesting.....

I have thought hard about taking my 600 lb ASF to a sheet metal shop for an increase to the hopper.

Interesting idea.

There is or there was a company that made a feeder with a similar setup just it was as square feeder with an elevated feed tray on all four sides. A blend of the AH feeder above and the Lamco. Crossfire I think was the name of them. Ranch King also does one but the trough is lower to the ground. We have 8 of those and they work very well for feeding Nubian Ibex. By feeding multiple times per night or hour or so apart you can almost accomplish what the larger capacity is doing with existing AS feeder.


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Does anyone know of a timed protein mechanism that retrofits onto a vertical (round) chute type feeder? I see the challenges presented in making one work right, faithfully, and have an idea on how to accomplish the task. Just wondering to make sure I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel?


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I have used a "Free Choice" Protein feeder in the past. Most of the nice bucks only showed up at night. I switched to a All Seasons Timed Protein Feeder and I have it go off 30 minutes before sunrise (Thats the only time i Have it go off). Now the Bucks show up when it goes off, and come around all day to check it out. Been doing this for several years now. (Fixed my nocturnal buck problem.).

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Does anyone know of a timed protein mechanism that retrofits onto a vertical (round) chute type feeder? I see the challenges presented in making one work right, faithfully, and have an idea on how to accomplish the task. Just wondering to make sure I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel?

There is one guy that used to be on here that sells what you are looking for. There are also feeders that are free choice but at the times you choose for them to be open for feed. I hunt on a ranch that has this style feeder at every blind and in some cases 2-3 of them. They open at a few minutes after daylight and close right before last shooting light every day. They feed free choice while they are open. Timer, battery and solar with a rain sensor that will shut when it starts to drizzle. I have watched deer stand around waiting on them to open up in the mornings. IIRC you can open them for a certain period, close them for the morning and then again throughout the day till dark if you like.
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I've searched timed protein mech's online and came up with a few. Nothing specifically designed that would readily retrofit onto a simple 55gal setup with vertical tube and feed head like I (and so many others have) built, but at least one I think I could adapt. Honestly, I think I could build the 4 we need for a third of the price as I could by those that I'd still have to spend time modifying. And, understandably, nobody gives up the secret of their internal mechanics without buying one so I'm not 100% confident that any of them would work like I have it figured in my alleged brain.

We are free choice now, just need a way to control feed amounts and timing so I can do some experimenting.


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I've searched timed protein mech's online and came up with a few. Nothing specifically designed that would readily retrofit onto a simple 55gal setup with vertical tube and feed head like I (and so many others have) built, but at least one I think I could adapt. Honestly, I think I could build the 4 we need for a third of the price as I could by those that I'd still have to spend time modifying. And, understandably, nobody gives up the secret of their internal mechanics without buying one so I'm not 100% confident that any of them would work like I have it figured in my alleged brain.

We are free choice now, just need a way to control feed amounts and timing so I can do some experimenting.



There was a guy on here selling "The Hammer Feeding System". Google search will bring up their website.

I haven't owned one, but they seem to have good reviews.


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