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 Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 12:37 AM
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So who wants to draft a letter for our TX reps asking them and Abott can make a TX law protecting us from this federal overreach? Might want to brush up on your civics lessons. Which part? Where state laws cannot overrule federal.
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 01:01 AM
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So who wants to draft a letter for our TX reps asking them and Abott can make a TX law protecting us from this federal overreach? Might want to brush up on your civics lessons. Which part? Where state laws cannot overrule federal. Seems to be ok for pot so what’s the big deal? If sanctuary cities are acceptable for illegal immigration why not for the second amendment?
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 01:27 AM
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So who wants to draft a letter for our TX reps asking them and Abott can make a TX law protecting us from this federal overreach? Might want to brush up on your civics lessons. Which part? Where state laws cannot overrule federal. Sure they can, Supreme Court would have to decide though.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 01:51 AM
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Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.
Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.
Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp.
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 02:54 AM
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Missed the window I believe. I don’t really know for sure they’ve change it so many times and I’ve watched so many videos with conflicting information my brain is fried lol. I think the window was October and November. I think I read in the ATF documentation that they did not move forward with this because braces are not serialized and there wasnt a way to verify if someone had actually bought a brace, so ppl could essentially claim they bought 10 and get 10 SBRs tax free.
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 03:01 AM
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Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.
Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.
Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp. Waiting for the response of “well then TX should just secede then, because you know…we’re the only state that has the right to and we’d survive as our own nation just fine”. In 3,2,1 
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 03:05 AM
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Missed the window I believe. I don’t really know for sure they’ve change it so many times and I’ve watched so many videos with conflicting information my brain is fried lol. I think the window was October and November. I think I read in the ATF documentation that they did not move forward with this because braces are not serialized and there wasnt a way to verify if someone had actually bought a brace, so ppl could essentially claim they bought 10 and get 10 SBRs tax free. Smart of them because I was going to SBR every lower I own and could get my hands on quickly regardless if they had 16”+ barrel on it or not.
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 03:51 AM
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Missed the window I believe. I don’t really know for sure they’ve change it so many times and I’ve watched so many videos with conflicting information my brain is fried lol. I think the window was October and November. I think I read in the ATF documentation that they did not move forward with this because braces are not serialized and there wasnt a way to verify if someone had actually bought a brace, so ppl could essentially claim they bought 10 and get 10 SBRs tax free. Smart of them because I was going to SBR every lower I own and could get my hands on quickly regardless if they had 16”+ barrel on it or not. That was my plan too. Yes Mr ATF Agent,I bought these 5 AK pistols, 5 AR pistols, 5 PCC pistols all with braces so here’s all 15 Form 1s and excited about saving $3000.
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 04:09 AM
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Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.
Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.
Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp. Everything is open to interpretation.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 06:03 AM
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Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.
Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.
Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp. Everything is open to interpretation. Good point. Girls can be boys. Boys can have babies. It's all open to interpretation.
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 08:17 AM
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Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.
Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.
Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp. Everything is open to interpretation. Good point. Girls can be boys. Boys can have babies. It's all open to interpretation. I have my 2022 year end performance review today. No matter what I hear from my boss or what my rating is, Im just gonna respond with “well, everything is open to interpretation”. I think this is the answer to any problem Ive ever faced. Best tool since “i know you are, but what am i?”
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/16/22 05:19 PM
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Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.
Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.
Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp. Sure the feds could/would ignore it but wouldn't it be nice for Texas to tell all city/county/state LEOs to ignore the ATF's rule change? Part of the reason states' decisions to ignore federal marijuana laws has been successful is that once the state gave it their rubber stamp of approval, the masses threw their support behind it. Laws are great and all, but when they don't have the support of the masses (nor the support of the state gov), they're fairly difficult to enforce.
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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12/18/22 01:50 AM
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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01/14/23 05:26 AM
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Guess ATF went ahead with the illegal move
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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01/14/23 06:36 AM
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So if they make everyone register does that mean they will have to throw down $200 for a tax stamp? Absolutely, you think they gonna miss out on their mullah. Been warning people about this for a month or two. 
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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01/20/23 04:39 PM
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Has the rule actually been added yet?
LETS GO BRANDON
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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01/20/23 09:39 PM
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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01/24/23 07:00 PM
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Any update on rule being added to register
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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01/24/23 07:06 PM
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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01/25/23 12:25 PM
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My opinion, ATF is doing this because DOJ needs money. Quickest way is to force people to pay $200.
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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My opinion, ATF is doing this because DOJ needs money. Quickest way is to force people to pay $200. Would love for you to explain the tax forbearance for 40 million items in circulation that ATF is now calling SBRs. Seems like not many folks are going to go this route once the forbearance is done, so no money in it except through fines from prosecution (good luck getting any quantifiable number of those)
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs
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01/25/23 03:53 PM
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My opinion, ATF is doing this because DOJ needs money. Quickest way is to force people to pay $200. Would love for you to explain the tax forbearance for 40 million items in circulation that ATF is now calling SBRs. Seems like not many folks are going to go this route once the forbearance is done, so no money in it except through fines from prosecution (good luck getting any quantifiable number of those) Don’t have to explain much on that, after 120 days it’ll be payup time.
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