I thought this was going to be a post about the real "Deadliest Mushroom in the Outdoors", the fly agaric.

Guess you got a bad batch. I've never had a problem with them. My 270 groups the 150s perfect.

What are your thoughts on these two scenarios?

1. Custom 30 caliber rifle and scope $5,000 with handloads or custom made ammo

2. Off the shelf unmodified 30 caliber rifle and scope $800 with factory Remington Core-Lokt ammo purchased at Academy

Shooters of both can consistently hit within the diameter of a Skoal can up to 200 yards.

200 yards is the maximum hunting shot range in this instance with most shots under 150.


Which hunter has a better chance of bringing down a deer, or are they both pretty much equal?

I've been watching this thread with a smirk. There' s no doubt, Rem Cor Lok ammo is a top seller. It's cheap and very basic ammo. It's some of the lowest quality and low grade ammo on the market. Why? For several reasons.

One, their powder and powder charges inside the case have some of the largest powder charge variations found in ammo. I've pulled the bullets and seen upwards of over 2 grains variation. I load my match ammo to .02 grains, which is to the kernel of gun powder, there's no comparison. That's literally a 100 times tighter tolerances. A high powder charge variation also makes for a very high extreme spread on your velocities.

Second, and I think this is the most important aspect. Remington produces their components and products from a backwards profit margin. Meaning, they figure out what they want to sell it for, and figure out how much profit they need to make, and that gives them a cost they have to stay under. Remington purposefully makes a lower cost item so they can keep a certain profit margin. And quality sacrifices for this. ADG (Atlas Dev Group) brass was started from guys who left Remington to make a better product. They talk all the time about this exact issue they had with Remington. Rem would intentionally make an inferior item so they could keep a certain profit.

Knowing ammo like I do, there is a little bit of a science to understanding accuracy nodes with certain calibers. Like a 270 Win with a 130 grain bullet, there is a certain sweet spot you can load to with some faster burning powders and still have a large accuracy window from rifle to rifle. When you load your ammo this way, it can produce good groups across many different rifles. But you will sacrifice velocity. Rem states their velocity is 3060 fps, and the times I have tested this, it was much slower. But you can load the 270 Win with a slower burning powder, get much more velocity, and keep a good accuracy node by loading it to tight tolerances. I've got some REALLY fast 270 Win loads that are 3180 to 3200 fps that shoot really tight groups.

Is comparing a custom load or high quality match load, like I make, and comparing it to a Rem Cor Lok an even comparison, No, not at all. But the ammo differences are HUGE! Shooters these days are wanting more out of their rifles and ammo. You simply can not get the consistency you need out of the low end ammo, like the Cor Lok.

I get that same smirk when I read about someone spending a lot of money and effort to produce a setup that shoots 1/2 MOA to shoot deer at 200 yards max.

I get that same smirk when I read about someone spending a lot of money and effort to produce a setup that shoots 1/2 MOA to shoot deer at 200 yards max.

I get that same smirk when I read about someone spending a lot of money and effort to produce a setup that shoots 1/2 MOA to shoot deer at 200 yards max.

My scenario question was in no way intended to detract from the accuracy members on here. That's a pretty cool hobby, the pursuit of accuracy through custom rifles, hi-tech scopes and load development.

I get that same smirk when I read about someone spending a lot of money and effort to produce a setup that shoots 1/2 MOA to shoot deer at 200 yards max.