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Re: .223 vs 22-250 [Re: LeftHandStan] #8702872 10/06/22 01:49 PM
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If you can get a 1:8 twist .22-250, it will smoke the .223 for any given bullet, it's a simple matter of physics. Load up an Fed Fusion 90gr, Speer 75gr Gold Dot, or similar and go to work.


This is on the mark. I would add that the bullet used is more important than the extra fps you would get with a 22-250.


Yup. If you can find an 8 twist 22-250 it would best a .223 for shooting deer. Standard twist in a 22-250 is 14 and limited what I could get to shoot to a flat base short ogive 60 grain. In that scenario give me a .223 with a 65-75 grain bullet for deer. The 70 grain Accubond is the best I’ve used. Now a fast twist 22-250 with that same 70 grain Accubond would outperform it. Finding an 8 twist 22-250 is rarer than finding the 70 grain Accubond which I haven’t seen in over a year.


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Re: .223 vs 22-250 [Re: Augustus1994] #8704604 10/09/22 12:32 AM
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For that distance, get some Barnes TSX in that 223 and go to work.

If you’re just itching to get a new rifle and want to stay with the lighter calibers, have you looked at the 243? Marginal recoil increase for better performance, bullet selection, and availability than 22-250.


My experience with TSX and ttsx in a 223 is dismal at best. Now 22-250 a 3800+ FPS magic


I’m interested to hear more on your thoughts on this Bobo. The extra speed really only matters for effective distance to open up the tsx and you could argue more energy transferred. At those distances, the 223 should open the TSX as much as the 22-250, and I would think it would create a similar wound channel. Curious what you’ve seen in the field versus thinking through it conceptually.



My experience in both calibers using same monolithic bullet shows exponentially better results (wound cavity and penetration) with the much higher velocity 22-250.

With monolithics the more revolutions(rpm’s) the greater the wound channel. You are going to have essentially same weight retention but the higher velocity will reach max expansion quicker and have higher KE. It’s simple physics of KE mass x Velocity^2. So I feel like my observations are that the 223 expands slower and doesn’t have same penetration as the much higher KE numbers of the 22-250

I think monolithics are great in hot calibers. But calibers like 223, 257Roberts, 30-30, 6.5 CM/260, I would pass. I would use them and have in the 22-250, 257wby, 243 etc. Down side to monolithic is impact velocity minimums needed are higher then cup and core, so the longer the range more dismal the results.

Monolithic as a rule, you need to go down in weight to get more speed to gain performance.
257 wby 80 or 100gr
7-08 120 gr
243 80gr
22-250 50/55


Now cup and core it’s a whole different model, you have to change barrel twist in 22-250 to shoot bigger higher bc cup and core bullets to find where the extra powder shines. 224tth/22CM are great examples of heavier 70/80gr high BC cup and core bullets really being equalizers.


Biggest take away for either cup and core or monolithic is every bullet is built for an impact velocity node. 223 just has a much lower impact velocity so bullet needs are much different


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Re: .223 vs 22-250 [Re: lubbockdave] #8704916 10/09/22 03:18 PM
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Bergara makes a 1:9 twist 22-250. Certainly would stabilize 77 grains and under.




Re: .223 vs 22-250 [Re: lubbockdave] #8704971 10/09/22 05:05 PM
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I am taking my dad's old custom Sako actioned 22-250 built in the mid 60s out hunting this afternoon for a few days (MLD)
It has been 10 years since his passing and I haven't had the heart to take it out of the safe until now.

He was an avid handloader and killed a LOT of south Texas deer and hogs with the 63g sierra SP.
He didn't rush his shots and was could still shoot clover leaf groups at 200 yards with it in his 70s.

I have a few boxes of varying ammo for it and the recipe for the 63g with Varget that I might load up later.

Re: .223 vs 22-250 [Re: lubbockdave] #8705711 10/10/22 08:08 PM
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If the choice was between the two, and only those two, I'd go with a faster twist 223 over a slow twist 22-250 any day so i could run heavier projectiles. Lots of variables, even in the scenario I put forth. All others being equal the 22-250 wins any day, but there are factors that, if present, would have me choosing the 223 over the 22-250. If I were buying a rifle to hunt deer and hogs, neither cartridge would be on the list of possibles though.


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Re: .223 vs 22-250 [Re: lubbockdave] #8706030 10/11/22 04:13 AM
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The average Texas deer probably isn’t over 150 lbs. A 22-250 even with a lighter bullet is plenty for something that size. If you are going after 250 lb mulies yeah maybe rethink it but I wouldn’t hesitate to pop a typically lightweight whitetail with a 50 grain bullet going 3500 fps.

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Originally Posted by Sewer rat
The average Texas deer probably isn’t over 150 lbs. A 22-250 even with a lighter bullet is plenty for something that size. If you are going after 250 lb mulies yeah maybe rethink it but I wouldn’t hesitate to pop a typically lightweight whitetail with a 50 grain bullet going 3500 fps.



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