Based off the great reviews and good service when I spoke to them . Just put a deposit on this rifle, 300WSM 20" barrel. Was considering a fierce cause for same price could have got a carbon Barrel. But I read some mixed reviews on fierce. Do any of you have experience with apr and/or this rifle specifically? I wanted carbon Barrel since I will be running it suppressed. How do you think the heavy Sporter contour will be with a thunderbeast dominus CB..it's a fatty 1.8" outside dia and 6.25 long. I mainly wanted carbon for the cosmetic aspect cause that suppressor might look goofy on this barrel..I'm hoping the heavy Sporter will balance it out. Also would you stick with 1:10 or faster? Ill be using 175 lrx and 180 scirocco.

Faster opens up more bullet options

I had a Maverick, the stock did not work for me, I could not get the scope low enough because of interference from the standard bolt handle hitting the ocular. Judd witnessed exactly how bad it was. I sold it and ordered the parts to build a new one. Inquire about getting the 10* downturned bolt handle, it will clear pretty much any ocular.

Have them mount the scope and verify everything is to your liking before you leave the shop.

They built me an Altitude as well at the same time, I love that rifle, hated the Maverick.

YMMV

Could have walked today and saved the wait and had a better APR rifle, with a proof barrel


APR 300 WSM

Wow that is a great deal! Unfortunately I'm a south paw though and that stock would not work

1:10" twist is fine for anything you want to shoot in the WSM. Alamo builds a good rifle. I like the carbon fiber stocks, and I like that they bed them even more. Carbon fiber barrel, eh, up to you.



What other bullet options would give you more choices than what works in a WSM with a 1:10" twist?

I would go a heavier contour carbon fiber.

1:10 is the answer.

I have shot several Alamo rifles, none have been turds. So far, from what I've seen they are building good rifles. I have made all of them well under 1 MOA, most have been 1/4 to 1/2 MOA shooters.

Know going in, the carbon fiber Proof will put two rounds really tight together. The third round is likely to fly outside the group some, all due to barrel heat. They are made to carry a whole bunch and shoot just a little bit. In hunting, your goal is one shot and done. Maybe two shots, three is unlikely.

All the above. All my APR builds have been great. Best thing about buying the ARP. You won't have to worry is something goes wrong.

I also agree with JG on the carbon fiber barrels. IMO, they are for hunting not shooting extended strings, but I have seen some do quite well at Seniors Match's

You don't think a 9.5 or 9 twist would be beneficial for heavy for caliber bullets?

10 twist will be more than sufficient in any appropriate bullet weight for a .300 WSM, and be appropriate well beyond 1000 yards.

The first time I deviated from a 1:10 .308 cal barrel was to stabilize a 250 gr A-Tip past a mile.

Over spinning can cost speed of the load. A 1:10 is perfectly fine for 200, 212, 215, and probably 220 gr bullets. Do you think those are long and heavy enough for a .300 WSM?

Thank you for info guys, especially the bolt handle clearance. Was that your main problem with the stock, or were there other things you didnt like about it? As far as the barrel contour. Do yal think my dominus suppressor will be over kill on the heavy sporter? im thinking the outside diameter at muzzle will be .725-.74. I was hoping that only being 20" that would help since it is tapered.

I have two APR rifles...a Maverick and a Ranger, both shoot great. For reference here is my Maverick with a Thunderbeast suppressor and 18" heavy sporter barrel.

Thanks docHorton, that spiral fluting looks nice.

I’ve got a Maverick in 7-08 AI and love it. I’ve got a heavier contour 18” barrel on it and it’s a bit heavy, but that’s what I was going for. I want an Altitude 7 Mag next for a lighter weight elk gun.

You're not understanding the question. By going to a faster twist, what bullets would open up more bullet options that will fit in a 300 WSM that wouldn't otherwise work fine? You can easily shoot up to the 230 grain match bullets in a 1:10", but they are not near optimal to fit and feed out of a WSM magazine. A 220 grain should run about 2650 fps and a 230 grain should run about 2550 to 2600 fps. What benefit would there be to going to a faster twist in a hunting rifle in a 300 WSM with a 1:10" twist, to shoot a heavier and long bullet that won't fit and feed out of a WSM magazine? The answer- there is none.

For me the comb was too low and the Seekins/Vortex lows were as low as I could go and somewhat cycle the bolt. Had I developed my carbon adjustable comb before a few months ago, I would still have it. If I had tried the rifle after they initially installed the scope, I would have never left the shop with the rifle. When I brought it up, their solution was to contact Defiance. They still owe me two hard case foam carvings, I have just been too put off to go back in their shop.

I won't deny they build accurate rifles, the service after the sale was lackluster and as such, the next 3 custom builds will be by someone else.

$60 plus shipping and your problems are solved. You can even order taller rings if you like.


https://triadtactical.com/triad-stock-pack/

Sorry to hear about that David. I talked to Jason through email today and he did say that they have changed the bolt handle to create more clearance. He also mentioned he doesnt like the 300 wsm cause they often have issues feeding but they will work it out if there is an issue. I recently purchased a beartooth comb raising kit that is actually really nice especially for the price. Its a tight neoprene cover with a few pads of different heights (i think 1/8 to 5/8). looks real clean and feels good. I put it on a 7600 pump .243 for my son and wife. with an 870 20ga compact stock on it. Makes for a nice handy rifle. Maybe ill have to get one for this rifle. But its going to take about 22 weeks for this rifle.

Well, if the comb was too short for lows, how do you think taller rings would solve the problem?

I know, half [censored] solution you are so fond of that not everyone else thinks is viable or attractive, how about a builder that actually takes care of someone that spends over $7500 on 2 rifles instead of passing the buck.

David I agree that customer service should be priority #1 when you buy an expensive product. I would also like to point out that you spent a lot of money but chose to not get an adjustable comb stock. They should definitely offer the new bolt handle to you at cost since they knew it was an issue.

The stock pack brings your cheek up to where you want it.

Taller rings clear the bolt.

It's not a half assed solution, some of us put them on every rifle, on purpose.

That comb heigh might be perfect for a thousand other people that could have bought the rifle. It really is on you to have picked an adjustable comb stock instead. Or add a stock pack to get your cheek where it's supposed to be, after the fact.

I'm failing to see how that is the gun builders problem. They didn't pick that particular scope or the rings, maybe it's specific to that model. Now if it doesn't clear any or even most scopes that is an issue in their design. I don't have that issue on either one of mine, but I got the Terrain stock specifically because the Outlander stock was too low for me to get a good cheek weld.

Correct, I had several different scopes on that rifle to try and correct the mismatched parts. I had a Vortex LHT in Vortex, Seekins and Ken Farrell lows, Judd was there for the Ken Farrell debacle, the bolt handle actually hit the body of the scope, well inside the ocular diameter. Judd may have pictures, I was too frustrated to even consider taking a picture.

You're right, I took possession of something that should have never left the shop, that was on me. I can't imagine spending $3k on a rifle that has a stock that won't fit out of the gate. If I had known how I was going to be treated after the fact, I wouldn't have given them a dime.

If you are happy with your band-aided stocks/rifles, good, I am happy for you. I purchased an aesthetic pleasing package, that needed to be altered to make it functional. APR could have taken the rifle back and had the bolt altered, but they chose to put that on me.

Several things I have learned over the years, where and with whom to spend money, who to trust and who to look past. I would hate for someone to walk into a shop and drop $3-4k on a rifle and not understand the potential issues that they would face after they leave. The Maverick is an accurate rifle, at least the one I had was, but it wasn't a cohesive package, it should have had a different action, stock or at the minimum, a 10* downturned bolt handle.

The Altitude I bought from them with a few upgrades over the original configuration has been a fantastic rifle that needed nothing to provide a proper cheek weld and has been a fantastically accurate rifle, but the fact is, their attitude soured me on ever darkening their doors again.

OP, wish you luck, hope you get everything you pay for, deserve and the rifle is as accurate as my two were. Just be very cautious and don't leave until you are 100% satisfied.

The is thread makes me glad I'm just a peckerwood that hunts with mostly Rugers and Tikkas.

Seems like the more you spend the more problems arise..my main reason for this rifle is a 20" 200wsm to run suppressed. Didn't have too many options and can't even find a left-handed Tikka to rebarrel but would end up costing about the same anyway.