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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/18/22 06:47 PM
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I killed my buck the 4th day of the season last year. Went back to my truck @ the front gate and went to get my buck and field dress him. When I got back to the front gate there was a truck with a long goose neck trailer on the dirt road that a piece of equipment had been on. They had unloaded a skid steer in the time I was I had cleaned my deer and entered our lease (125 acres) to do work on some old tanks that had been turned in as leaking by someone. I heard the equipment, but thought it was the county maintaining the road. They were actually there 2 or 3 days clearing brush and mesquites around the tanks and well head and don`t know how they effected the deer movement since I got my targeted deer about 30 minutes before they showed up. Been on the place for 5 years now and first time I ever seen anyone on the place. I always park in front though of the gate and not even the owner can get in until I move my truck if I`m hunting. Unless you and the landowner have an agreement on your parking preference, I would not recommend blocking the landowners from entry into his own property.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/18/22 06:53 PM
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DocHorton
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In a my years of hunting, I've only had one issue with an O&G worker.
It was during deer season. I took some time off during the week to hunt the rut. I was rattling during mid day when I heard a saw an O&G truck driving through the lease. No big deal I thought, I new he was there to check equipment and read meters. I went about my hunting for about another hour, when I noticed his truck sitting at an intersection of two lease roads. Not sure what he was doing, I glassed him with my binos and noticed that he had a rifle leaning just outside the door of the window. So I started to slowly work my way towards his truck. When I got closer, I noticed he was occupied while looking through his binoculars and had no idea I was near. Once I got to his truck and made contact, as you would imagine, the dude was startled. I ask what he's doing. He informed me that he worked for the O&G company and was checking equipment and meters. I told him that I knew that, and I heard him come onto the ranch. I informed him that you've been on the ranch for over an hour with no activity, and when I noticed you parked, you have a rifle leaning out the truck window while you're glassing with binos. I informed him that I lease this ranch for hunting, and the landowner informed me that no one other paid hunters are welcome to hunt this ranch. I let him know it's understood that he has a job to do for the O&G company, but that didn't include poaching, and ask if your job duties are done to please leave. After the encounter, I called the ranch owner and explained the situation. He said he'll make some calls and this shouldn't happen again. I've been hunting the same ranch for 25 years and have not had anymore negative encounters with the O&G company employees.
I bet that same thing happens far more than anyone knows. It's a shame that mineral rights were ever allowed to be separated from land ownership.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/18/22 07:57 PM
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Agree Doc.
The severance is definitely something an attorney thought up….
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/18/22 08:01 PM
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In a my years of hunting, I've only had one issue with an O&G worker.
It was during deer season. I took some time off during the week to hunt the rut. I was rattling during mid day when I heard a saw an O&G truck driving through the lease. No big deal I thought, I new he was there to check equipment and read meters. I went about my hunting for about another hour, when I noticed his truck sitting at an intersection of two lease roads. Not sure what he was doing, I glassed him with my binos and noticed that he had a rifle leaning just outside the door of the window. So I started to slowly work my way towards his truck. When I got closer, I noticed he was occupied while looking through his binoculars and had no idea I was near. Once I got to his truck and made contact, as you would imagine, the dude was startled. I ask what he's doing. He informed me that he worked for the O&G company and was checking equipment and meters. I told him that I knew that, and I heard him come onto the ranch. I informed him that you've been on the ranch for over an hour with no activity, and when I noticed you parked, you have a rifle leaning out the truck window while you're glassing with binos. I informed him that I lease this ranch for hunting, and the landowner informed me that no one other paid hunters are welcome to hunt this ranch. I let him know it's understood that he has a job to do for the O&G company, but that didn't include poaching, and ask if your job duties are done to please leave. After the encounter, I called the ranch owner and explained the situation. He said he'll make some calls and this shouldn't happen again. I've been hunting the same ranch for 25 years and have not had anymore negative encounters with the O&G company employees.
I bet that same thing happens far more than anyone knows. It's a shame that mineral rights were ever allowed to be separated from land ownership. Just depends on the ranch. Some lease agreements have some pretty stiff $$$$$$$$ penalties for employees having ANY firearm especially long rifle in truck. I’ve seen trucks get search on a buddies ranch
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/18/22 09:18 PM
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We hurt some deer hunters feelings one opening morning when we entered a ranch to do a couple of squeezes on a well in Young County. Two of them were livid, and asked me if I knew what day it was. I told them sure do, and if I had the choice I would rather be hunting than working. They said whatever, this is not going to work. We proceeded on and did the jobs, on the way out we saw the hunters talking to a guy who we later found out was the landowner they had called. He came over to the truck and said if it happened again feel free to handle it as we saw fit, gave me a smirk and said have a nice day.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/18/22 09:50 PM
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We hurt some deer hunters feelings one opening morning when we entered a ranch to do a couple of squeezes on a well in Young County. Two of them were livid, and asked me if I knew what day it was. I told them sure do, and if I had the choice I would rather be hunting than working. They said whatever, this is not going to work. We proceeded on and did the jobs, on the way out we saw the hunters talking to a guy who we later found out was the landowner they had called. He came over to the truck and said if it happened again feel free to handle it as we saw fit, gave me a smirk and said have a nice day. Some people don't understand math. If a landowner yields $100k income per year from O&G and $8k per year from hunting, guess which party gets priority.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/18/22 10:07 PM
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I've been pissed off when loggers or O&G guys are on the property doing thier thing, but I'm not pissed at them. I'm either pissed or disappointed in the situation. The guys there doing thier jobs are just there doing thier jobs. Usually it's a minor interruption and then I'm back to hunting with no issue. Sometimes the whole hunt is ruined, but it's still not thier fault.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/18/22 10:14 PM
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/18/22 10:27 PM
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If you befriend the pumpers in your lease you find out a lot about the deer they see. Those guys are out there everyday driving the roads checking wells. They see a lot of animals.On a big acreage lease they can sometimes point you to the biggest deer in the place.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/18/22 10:42 PM
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I have a timber company lease for years. They have done logging activities routinely during hunting season. It appears to have no impact on the deer movement except in the immediate area where they are working. It really doesn’t seem to affect them at all.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 12:45 AM
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J.G.
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Rifle fire on my land 52 weeks a year. And even then, we see whitetail eating ON THE RIFLE RANGE, more months than not.
Damndest thing...
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 01:38 AM
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Jgraider
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In a my years of hunting, I've only had one issue with an O&G worker.
It was during deer season. I took some time off during the week to hunt the rut. I was rattling during mid day when I heard a saw an O&G truck driving through the lease. No big deal I thought, I new he was there to check equipment and read meters. I went about my hunting for about another hour, when I noticed his truck sitting at an intersection of two lease roads. Not sure what he was doing, I glassed him with my binos and noticed that he had a rifle leaning just outside the door of the window. So I started to slowly work my way towards his truck. When I got closer, I noticed he was occupied while looking through his binoculars and had no idea I was near. Once I got to his truck and made contact, as you would imagine, the dude was startled. I ask what he's doing. He informed me that he worked for the O&G company and was checking equipment and meters. I told him that I knew that, and I heard him come onto the ranch. I informed him that you've been on the ranch for over an hour with no activity, and when I noticed you parked, you have a rifle leaning out the truck window while you're glassing with binos. I informed him that I lease this ranch for hunting, and the landowner informed me that no one other paid hunters are welcome to hunt this ranch. I let him know it's understood that he has a job to do for the O&G company, but that didn't include poaching, and ask if your job duties are done to please leave. After the encounter, I called the ranch owner and explained the situation. He said he'll make some calls and this shouldn't happen again. I've been hunting the same ranch for 25 years and have not had anymore negative encounters with the O&G company employees.
I bet that same thing happens far more than anyone knows. It's a shame that mineral rights were ever allowed to be separated from land ownership. If an O&G guy/ truck of any kind, no matter what they're doing, are caught on our leases hunting, or even with a rifle of any kind will have hell to pay as it's in the lease that that is not allowed. I would imagine they'd be terminated immediately.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 02:05 AM
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If you befriend the pumpers in your lease you find out a lot about the deer they see. Those guys are out there everyday driving the roads checking wells. They see a lot of animals.On a big acreage lease they can sometimes point you to the biggest deer in the place. The local mail carrier can also be a good source for big buck intelligence, such as the time of day when and where he or she often sees one cross the road or chasing does in a nearby pasture.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 03:04 AM
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DocHorton
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We hurt some deer hunters feelings one opening morning when we entered a ranch to do a couple of squeezes on a well in Young County. Two of them were livid, and asked me if I knew what day it was. I told them sure do, and if I had the choice I would rather be hunting than working. They said whatever, this is not going to work. We proceeded on and did the jobs, on the way out we saw the hunters talking to a guy who we later found out was the landowner they had called. He came over to the truck and said if it happened again feel free to handle it as we saw fit, gave me a smirk and said have a nice day. Some people don't understand math. If a landowner yields $100k income per year from O&G and $8k per year from hunting, guess which party gets priority. Totally understandable on where the money comes from, but if a landowner can't somehow find a way to accommodate their hunters on opening morning, or during the weekends during hunting season, then maybe they shouldn't be taking folks hard earned money. It's a respect issue, IMO. Landowners want lessees to respect their land, and likewise they should be willing to respect the fact they took the hunters money and they want to hunt without interruptions. Of course, all of that should be spelled out in the lease agreement. I booked a dove lease from someone on here several years back. Went out and checked out the place a couple weeks before season and saw birds (cut corn field). Went out opening morning and the entire place had been plowed up and was nothing but turned dirt and not a single bird in sight. It wasn't much money, but obviously I wasn't happy.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 09:35 AM
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If ones don't like where they are, should re-up the lease.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 01:00 PM
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Jgraider
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I don't think some here understand the landowner/O&G company's rights and relationships once a lease is signed.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 01:35 PM
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txtrophy85
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Many times, the landowner does not own the minerals and has very little say-so in drilling activities, so its not fair to assume that the landowner is trying to submarine the lease hunters season.
That said, most operators are more than willing to accommodate landowner requests that all activity shall be between the hours of 10 and 2 during hunting season.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 01:47 PM
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Had a gas line run right through my lease in Grayson county. Sat in the stand with a giant rocksaw chewing that rock a few hundred yards from my stand. Noise drove me insane, but I did have 2 bucks cruise right through as if nothing was going on.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 02:31 PM
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Spent 5 years on a lease between Albany and Breckenridge with numerous wells and tons of pumping activity. Nary a problem and shot plenty of deer. We didn't wear much camo back then couldn't afford it. I still stand behind my personal belief that if Texas would ban corn baiting we'd get a handle on the hog problem and 99% of the DFW hunters would quit if they actually had to hunt. Talked to several out of staters that have moved to the Rolling Plains and they can't believe that 1: Texas allows baiting, 2: there are so many baiting stations set up on every single property (they're not wrong either).
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 02:45 PM
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Heard about this from a big, well known ranch with high dollar lease costs - Hunters in their blinds opening morning. Started hearing a ruckus. Cowboys everywhere rounding up cattle. hunted got pizzed and called their contact. Contact said he would get the cattle guy to come speak to them.
All were gathered at camp when a P/U came pulling up. Out stepped a 6'6" strapping, leathered man with broad shoulders. One of the hunters asked him why they were choosing to work cattle right then. He replied, "We needed to work the cattle." He turned around, got in his truck and left.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 02:49 PM
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DocHorton
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Many times, the landowner does not own the minerals and has very little say-so in drilling activities, so its not fair to assume that the landowner is trying to submarine the lease hunters season.
That said, most operators are more than willing to accommodate landowner requests that all activity shall be between the hours of 10 and 2 during hunting season.
Very true, yet again, another reason why they never should have been separated.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 02:58 PM
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Spent 5 years on a lease between Albany and Breckenridge with numerous wells and tons of pumping activity. Nary a problem and shot plenty of deer. We didn't wear much camo back then couldn't afford it. I still stand behind my personal belief that if Texas would ban corn baiting we'd get a handle on the hog problem and 99% of the DFW hunters would quit if they actually had to hunt. Talked to several out of staters that have moved to the Rolling Plains and they can't believe that 1: Texas allows baiting, 2: there are so many baiting stations set up on every single property (they're not wrong either). Everything in this after the two words “afford it. Is ignorance on many levels. Hogs will eat anything. Getting rid of corn feeders is not going to cause mass extinction of feral hogs. Though it sounds great it’s possibly the goofiest thing I’ve read on the internet in sometime. Go to Missouri, Iowa, Illinois. They plant field with soy, corn etc just for deer then bad mouth Texas feeders. What’s the difference?
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 03:03 PM
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I laughed at the title of this post because hunting often interferes with what’s going on with the land. I’ve always hunted the Pineywoods and have just known to leave the loggers etc alone. Even with an MLD lease and 5 months of rifle season…we’re hunting on logging land. They’re not logging on hunting land.
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 03:23 PM
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txtrophy85
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STalked to several out of staters that have moved to the Rolling Plains and they can't believe that 1: Texas allows baiting, 2: there are so many baiting stations set up on every single property (they're not wrong either). So i guess we should care and listen to what out of staters think about what goes on here?
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Re: Activities on the land that interfere with hunting
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09/19/22 03:24 PM
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It's a shame that mineral rights were ever allowed to be separated from land ownership. I lease a ranch for hunting that has wind AND o/g rights severed. Having several operators out there earning their pay can be .... interesting. Talk about a lease hunter being 'low man on totem pole' in that scenario.
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