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A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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The all-but-forgotten .30/30 outperforms the .308 and .30/06 at 100 yards. If you like getting close to game animals, it's all you'll ever need. Link
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Where do you find this terrible information?
The .30-30 is an semi-aenemic, “just ok” round at best but doesn’t out perform the .308 or .30-06 in any department save for recoil. It fires a not so heavy bullet at thrown rock velocities and has about the same trajectory. Modern components have greatly improved upon the original loading but it’s not close to the .308 or .30-06 capabilities.
The writer of that article should be fired and publicly flogged as should you for purporting this ridiculous rhetoric.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Who, me? Still, there are solid reasons why the longstanding 30/30 has taken more American whitetails than probably any other caliber. And with more than a century head start and many still being sold, that's a record that's likely to continue.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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09/02/22 01:04 PM
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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09/02/22 01:35 PM
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No way the 30/30 out performs those guns or a whole stack of others. However, I took my first 10 deer with a tried and true hand-me-down 30/30 saddle gun with iron sights.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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No way the 30/30 out performs those guns or a whole stack of others. However, I took my first 10 deer with a tried and true hand-me-down 30/30 saddle gun with iron sights. The average successful rifle shot at big-game critters is no more than 100 yards (probably less). At that distance, your typical 150-grain .308 Winchester hunting bullet penetrates about 19 inches and deforms to a frontal diameter of around 0.55 inch. The same conventionally designed but heavier 180-grain bullet from a .30/06 will push to around 22 inches and expand a little wider, to about .6 of an inch. But there’s a better .30-caliber option. There is a 150-grain hunting bullet that at 100 yards will penetrate at least 23 inches and expand as much or more than either with similar bullets. Not only that, but it will do so while producing just 13 foot-pounds of recoil energy when fired from a 7-pound rifle. That’s 6 and 11 foot-pounds less than the .308 and .30/06, respectively.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Who, me? Still, there are solid reasons why the longstanding 30/30 has taken more American whitetails than probably any other caliber. And with more than a century head start and many still being sold, that's a record that's likely to continue. Yes, you. Nothing wrong with a 30/30. Yes it will kill deer, and do it with authority. But this is a troll post and you know it. Just like most of your other posts. Let it be known that nobody coming to the THF looking for advice should ever take said advice from Dan. That is all.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Not saying it's "all you need", but that's what I've deer hunted with for over 30 years. Works for me.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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The all-but-forgotten .30/30 outperforms the .308 and .30/06 at 100 yards. If you like getting close to game animals, it's all you'll ever need. Link
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Who, me? Still, there are solid reasons why the longstanding 30/30 has taken more American whitetails than probably any other caliber. And with more than a century head start and many still being sold, that's a record that's likely to continue. There are more deer killed in Texas now than existed in the entire United States when the 30-30 came out. That adage was true for a short time but no it hasn’t been a fact for a long long time. Ammo sales don’t correlate to use in the field. How many 30-30’s do you see in modern camps? Few to none. I’ve personally never seen a 30-30 in a hunting camp Unless I was the one who brought it. Hell, probably more deer have been killed with a shotgun now than a .30-30. One can argue good points to use a .30-30. One can also argue good points to not use one. The penetration argument is a dumb one as well. It has everything to do with bullet design and nothing to do with the cartridge.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Who, me? Still, there are solid reasons why the longstanding 30/30 has taken more American whitetails than probably any other caliber. And with more than a century head start and many still being sold, that's a record that's likely to continue. Yes, you. Nothing wrong with a 30/30. Yes it will kill deer, and do it with authority. But this is a troll post and you know it. Just like most of your other posts. Let it be known that nobody coming to the THF looking for advice should ever take said advice from Dan. That is all. Spot on.....
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Who, me? Still, there are solid reasons why the longstanding 30/30 has taken more American whitetails than probably any other caliber. And with more than a century head start and many still being sold, that's a record that's likely to continue. There are more deer killed in Texas now than existed in the entire United States when the 30-30 came out. That adage was true for a short time but no it hasn’t been a fact for a long long time. Ammo sales don’t correlate to use in the field. How many 30-30’s do you see in modern camps? Few to none. I’ve personally never seen a 30-30 in a hunting camp Unless I was the one who brought it. Hell, probably more deer have been killed with a shotgun now than a .30-30. One can argue good points to use a .30-30. One can also argue good points to not use one. The penetration argument is a dumb one as well. It has everything to do with bullet design and nothing to do with the cartridge. Exactly. And once you have penetration that exceeds the width of a deer's chest cavity, it is completely meaningless.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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09/02/22 02:29 PM
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To each his own, but....
I was on a So. Tx lease once & one of the hunters would switch to lever, open-sight .30-30 after he had his buck for the season down. He might have been able to hit a pie-plate at a 100 with it. To me it was "gun-virtue-signalling" although the term didn't exist back then.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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All trolling aside. Deer are not armor plated and die pretty easy with a well placed shot from most any center fire rifle. Does the 30-30 outperform a 30-06? No sir it does not. Out to 150 yards though it is just as deadly. As a boy I witnessed my father make one shot kills on Roosevelt Elk bulls with a 30-30 on three separate occasions. All inside 100 yards with 170 grain bullets and iron sights. I think the reality is the range that a 30-30 is limited to eliminated a lot of wounding that we see today where modern rifles routinely outshoot most operators skills.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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09/02/22 03:11 PM
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Who, me? Still, there are solid reasons why the longstanding 30/30 has taken more American whitetails than probably any other caliber. And with more than a century head start and many still being sold, that's a record that's likely to continue. No it hasn’t. Whitetails where trending down to levels close to extinction by 1895. Today Texas kills more deer then Idaho, MT, Wy, Utah combined. A single year of TX MLD doe harvest alone with 22 center fire (223/22-250) is probably more then a decade of 30-30 kills in TX
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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It is the shock power that kills . The more shock the better . .22 lr has killed a lot of deer also . I use a 226 grain solid in my 8mm Mag , no expansion at all on deer . 8mm hole in and 8mm hole out . They drop right there with out a bloody mess . All the organs turned to jelly from the shock of a 226 at 3080 fps .
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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The 30-30 was my first deer rifle from many years ago. Killed many deer and a few hogs with it. Still have the rifle but use my 30-06 now because I feel it will handle many more different occasions. They were readily available and priced as such that many could afford to buy one years ago.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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i think a person could certainly and successfully hunt their entire hunting lifetime with one. but i also don't think i'd say it outperforms the others stated. maybe only in some obscure comparison.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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A 30/30 is my preferred choice when hunting the true Piney Woods from a ladder stand where I know shots will be no more than 75 yards at best, and often much less. The lightweight and compact design makes it easy to handle and shoot from either shoulder when a deer or hog walks out from behind you at close range, leaving you unable to turn for a shot. Much easier to do with a lighter and shorter rifle. Sometimes I'll even take one with open sights.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Why not just use a bow, if of course you "know how to hunt"?
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Why not just use a bow, if of course you "know how to hunt"?
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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I love a 30-30.
But in no way does it outperform a 308 or 30-06.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Aw look, another ignorant post from Trash Can Dan. "if you know how to hunt". I've always had a soft spot for the 30-30, and carried one on my electric buggy for years in the brush country. Love that gun for stalking in the thick stuff, and getting shots off quick like at close range. 50 yrd zero and accurate enough at 100 yrds with iron sights. The 30-30 serves it purpose for me, but to say it "outperforms" the 308 and 30-06 is just dumb.
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Re: A .30/30 is all you need if you know how to hunt
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Why does this remind me of the self entitled bush league pig whacker who lives on his own property and thinks he is better than anyone and especially better than most hunters?
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