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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Hunter-Steve]
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06/12/22 02:01 AM
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Well that really sucks… I was thinking of getting some of that for next year. If I do I’ll put it in an area that I can test it before committing to planting it further
Does it diminish over time? It does diminish over time, but I haven't been able to pin down just how long. Some say 6 months to a year, some say 18 months to three years. Most reports say that the more sun and rain the soil gets the faster the herbicide degrades. So I've been really soaking the garden every three days. Also, plants in the grass family take up the herbicide, thus removing it from the soil (so long as you remove the mature plants from the area and dispose of them - no cut and mulch). Come September I'll be putting a lot of oat seed down and will hand pull the mature plants in the Spring. Hopefully, those actions will remedy the situation.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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06/12/22 02:34 AM
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Sounds like a lot of work. But at least it’s not forever.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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06/12/22 03:23 AM
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Bummed! Totally Bummed! I have no garden this year.... Classic signs of Grazon/Aminopyralid contamination in the vegetable garden soil are leaf curl, stunted growth and failed fruit production.
Dang - sorry to hear that. No doubt it had something nasty in there. Last year I bought 10 bags of what was supposed to be composted cow manure (not the 'Black Cow' brand -they were out of that); mixed shovel-full into each hole/plant planted; The plants didn't die, but they sure didn't thrive - they did worse than if I had put no amendments at all. Barely any fruit. Had to have had some crap in there too like yours. Never again. This year I just put in a tiny bit of composted cow/chicken manure from my own place in each plant hole - no herbicides in use. Plants are doing spectacular - already overloaded on tomatoes & peppers; salsa making time!
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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06/12/22 05:53 AM
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Yep, Froggy’s still here. Offending
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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06/12/22 02:38 PM
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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06/12/22 04:02 PM
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Well that really sucks… I was thinking of getting some of that for next year. If I do I’ll put it in an area that I can test it before committing to planting it further
Does it diminish over time? It does diminish over time, but I haven't been able to pin down just how long. Some say 6 months to a year, some say 18 months to three years. Most reports say that the more sun and rain the soil gets the faster the herbicide degrades. So I've been really soaking the garden every three days. Also, plants in the grass family take up the herbicide, thus removing it from the soil (so long as you remove the mature plants from the area and dispose of them - no cut and mulch). Come September I'll be putting a lot of oat seed down and will hand pull the mature plants in the Spring. Hopefully, those actions will remedy the situation. That does suck. Since you can use plants in the grass family, you probably could plant corn.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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06/12/22 04:15 PM
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I can say without a doubt my tomato plants are the tallest I have ever grown. The only fertilizer I have been using is catfish carcasses buried between and around them.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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06/12/22 04:47 PM
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I can say without a doubt my tomato plants are the tallest I have ever grown. The only fertilizer I have been using is catfish carcasses buried between and around them. Mmmm old Indian trick.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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06/12/22 05:01 PM
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I just have to remember where I buried the last ones so I don't dig that same hole again while they are still breaking down and smelly.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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06/12/22 05:34 PM
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This early season extreme heat will stop my tomato harvest. I’m glad I had already made 18 pints of salsa.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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06/12/22 06:37 PM
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They should keep making for a bit longer, as long as the nighttime temps dip enough. Where I'm at we luckily get the south-breeze blowing off of Lake Ray Roberts at night, so it dips down for us enough at least till august. Picked about 25#'s of tomatoes last couple days, and about 3# of serrano peppers - all that going into salsa!
My okra on the other-hand loves this heat - just picked my first pound of okra for this year. I put up 30 quarts of pickled okra last year- though ended up giving away more than half 'cuz friends keep asking for 'refills'!
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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06/12/22 08:37 PM
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I feel for you. Went thru the same thing about 7 years and it was so frustrating to figure out what happened. I learned that when I want to add to my beds I use bulk mushroom compost. Problem solved and containers doing excellent Where are you getting the bulk mushroom compost from? If you don't mind me asking.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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06/13/22 03:25 AM
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I’m starting to harvest my squash every 3 days now
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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06/13/22 02:08 PM
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Bummed! Totally Bummed!
I have no garden this year. Well, that's not totally true. I have a garden. But it has two-foot-tall tomato plants that have curly and cupped leaves. They make tiny flowers that drop off. I have pepper and squash plants that stopped growing two weeks after I transplanted them. They just sit there - won't grow, make no flowers.
So, what happened?
Here's what I've concluded. Earlier this year I purchased a cubic yard of "garden soil" from a local soil & aggregate supply yard. It was dark black with what appeared to be a nice mix of aged manure, peat moss, coarse sand and a small amount of shredded wood chips. It looked really good - a lot better than those bags of garden soil at Home Depot.
In early March I applied a three-inch layer of the stuff to all of my raised bed gardens and turned it into the top eight inches or so of existing soil. Two weeks later I transplanted all of my tomato, pepper and squash plants (about a dozen of each) into the gardens. They were really healthy plants that I'd started in 16 oz. Solo cups and carefully nurtured. Man, I was looking forward to a great garden this year.
After a lot of research, I've concluded that the new soil was contaminated with Grazon or Aminopyralid herbicide. That stuff is used on horse pastures and hay fields to eliminate all broadleaf growth, leaving just grass. When an animal eats grass or hay from such a field the herbicide enters its system and is excreted in the manure. When that manure is used in a compost mix it continues to suppress broadleaf plants (especially tomatoes and peppers) even if the manure is well aged. Classic signs of Grazon/Aminopyralid contamination in the vegetable garden soil are leaf curl, stunted growth and failed fruit production.
This is very interesting to me. This year, my wife and I decided to expand our space using some large pots. We used some commercial raised bed soil from Home Depot to fill them and had very similar results. Almost everything we planted in those pots failed. I actually transplanted some pepper plants out of the pots into the in-ground section of the garden after the lettuce was done and they are really turning around. We also had some leftover soil and I added it to our strip of garden where we grow tomatoes, and they look exactly as you describe. I was blaming the heat, but now I'll have to look more into this.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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06/15/22 01:41 AM
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I feel for you. Went thru the same thing about 7 years and it was so frustrating to figure out what happened. I learned that when I want to add to my beds I use bulk mushroom compost. Problem solved and containers doing excellent Where are you getting the bulk mushroom compost from? If you don't mind me asking. I get mine from Sand and Gravel To Go. They are on the I-35 service road in Burleson
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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06/21/22 01:50 AM
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I just have to remember where I buried the last ones so I don't dig that same hole again while they are still breaking down and smelly. I want to do this with my garden. My question is, are you putting a new plant in that hole, or is that fish in that hole close enough in proximity to fertilize the off-set plants on each side?
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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06/21/22 02:42 AM
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I bury them near the plant or between them as pictured. Rake the mulch away, dig hole placing dirt in bucket, drop catfish guts, return dirt, then return mulch. You can see roots in the picture, but I have not noticed it damage the plants at all and there is a burst of growth soon after each time. Not pictured, there were 4 more holes I dug in the garden that day. I have been doing the fish head and guts garden fertilizer thing for several years. If you have a dog with access to your garden that likes to dig things up and roll in dead things. Don't do this. My Dash is not one of those dogs fortunately.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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07/06/22 02:39 AM
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Do you stir your fert with an American flag? Don’t you think you should???
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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07/06/22 02:57 AM
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Do you stir your fert with an American flag? Don’t you think you should???
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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07/06/22 03:25 AM
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Man if I knew what Oxner knows I could throw away what I know
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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07/11/22 09:32 PM
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Getting way too much zucchini, butternut and spaghetti squash. This is what I’m getting each week now Guess having beehives makes a big difference
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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07/11/22 09:36 PM
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Shred the zucchini and freeze it (ziplock freezer bags). Lotsa great recipes for it. Butternut cubed up and frozen works good too!
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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07/11/22 10:47 PM
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Thanks. I’ve been frying the zucchini, picking it make slaw out of it and eating it raw and grilled.
Need to see if my neighbors would like some as can’t even store the volume I’m getting
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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07/15/22 01:04 AM
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Best have been hot banana peppers here. Pull a dozen every three days.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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07/18/22 12:41 AM
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My tomato and pepper plants are healthy, but the fruit won’t set. I guess if I keep them healthy until October, maybe I’ll have some produce then…. I did the catfish heads trick, and the exploded in growth.
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