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Re: Deciding on new rifle [Re: freerange] #8631379 06/29/22 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by freerange
Whats wrong with Winchester Model 70?


It’s an old fashion Mauser action so it’s not tactical. Funny how the Mauser control feed was considered the pinnacle of hunting actions not that long ago. I still love them.



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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
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thanks for all the insight. i knew not to many people would have much on the Franchi, and had seen the issues about Savages weak extractor but wanted a wider test audience which you guys thankfully provided. so i am re-assessing my options. Tikka and Weatherby were both on my original radar and with info i will prob lean back toward the Tikka


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#1sensitive ahole/custom toilet paper guy on this thread is FiremanJG. Just PM him so no bodies feelings get hurt about shrimper looking rifles.






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Re: Deciding on new rifle [Re: freerange] #8631393 06/29/22 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by freerange
Whats wrong with Winchester Model 70?



Not a thing, I love em'. My first deer rifle was a Model 70 and absolutely loved that gun, until a "friend" stole it.

Re: Deciding on new rifle [Re: scottfromdallas] #8631415 06/30/22 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by scottfromdallas
Write in vote for one of my favorites. Ruger 77 Hawkeye.



Ruger really disappointed me with the direction they took with the M77. Put all their efforts into the American and not the Hawkeye can only be had in a few calibers in select models. The M77 was one of my all time favorite hunting rifles in its heyday


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Originally Posted by newguy00
thanks for all the insight. i knew not to many people would have much on the Franchi, and had seen the issues about Savages weak extractor but wanted a wider test audience which you guys thankfully provided. so i am re-assessing my options. Tikka and Weatherby were both on my original radar and with info i will prob lean back toward the Tikka



I’m a huge fan of Weatherby. I am not super big on the vanguards but they are shooters and are available in tons of calibers and options. The Howa actions are very strong and it’s a good rifle.

I’m big on the Mark V. Super strong action, 54 degree bolt lift, not light guns but dammit they feel like a real rifle. I love both of mine, especially my ultralight weight.

If you can spring for a Mark V, do it. And put good glass on it


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
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Write in vote for one of my favorites. Ruger 77 Hawkeye.



Ruger really disappointed me with the direction they took with the M77. Put all their efforts into the American and not the Hawkeye can only be had in a few calibers in select models. The M77 was one of my all time favorite hunting rifles in its heyday



Agree. They have all but given up on it.



Re: Deciding on new rifle [Re: scottfromdallas] #8631439 06/30/22 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by scottfromdallas
Originally Posted by freerange
Whats wrong with Winchester Model 70?


It’s an old fashion Mauser action so it’s not tactical. Funny how the Mauser control feed was considered the pinnacle of hunting actions not that long ago. I still love them.


I don't know about the "tactical" word.

But you can't top load a control round feed, that's why I don't care for them.


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Originally Posted by unclebubba
Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by newguy00
thanks for all the insight. i knew not to many people would have much on the Franchi, and had seen the issues about Savages weak extractor but wanted a wider test audience which you guys thankfully provided. so i am re-assessing my options. Tikka and Weatherby were both on my original radar and with info i will prob lean back toward the Tikka


Opinions are like Aholes everyone’s got one, but the guys that make custom toilet paper for sensitive aholes are the ones I’d ask.

#1sensitive ahole/custom toilet paper guy on this thread is FiremanJG. Just PM him so no bodies feelings get hurt about shrimper looking rifles.






So, you are saying that Jason is an a$$wipe? rofl


You know I can pop your tires from a really long way off, right?


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Re: Deciding on new rifle [Re: J.G.] #8631443 06/30/22 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FiremanJG


You know I can pop your tires from a really long way off, right?


Yeah, but it's still funny!

Re: Deciding on new rifle [Re: J.G.] #8631450 06/30/22 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
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Originally Posted by freerange
Whats wrong with Winchester Model 70?


It’s an old fashion Mauser action so it’s not tactical. Funny how the Mauser control feed was considered the pinnacle of hunting actions not that long ago. I still love them.


I don't know about the "tactical" word.

But you can't top load a control round feed, that's why I don't care for them.


Winchester you can’t. Ruger and Kimber you can. I’m not sure why but those 2 will easily snap over the case head.



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Originally Posted by unclebubba
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Originally Posted by newguy00
thanks for all the insight. i knew not to many people would have much on the Franchi, and had seen the issues about Savages weak extractor but wanted a wider test audience which you guys thankfully provided. so i am re-assessing my options. Tikka and Weatherby were both on my original radar and with info i will prob lean back toward the Tikka


Opinions are like Aholes everyone’s got one, but the guys that make custom toilet paper for sensitive aholes are the ones I’d ask.

#1sensitive ahole/custom toilet paper guy on this thread is FiremanJG. Just PM him so no bodies feelings get hurt about shrimper looking rifles.


So, you are saying that Jason is an a$$wipe? rofl



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Re: Deciding on new rifle [Re: Buzzsaw] #8631466 06/30/22 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw
The rifles ya'll are arguing over ALL SUCK. Nut up and buy right. banana


Buzz is right!

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Originally Posted by TAB
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The rifles ya'll are arguing over ALL SUCK. Nut up and buy right. banana


Buzz is right!


Buzz thinks everything sucks which is why he never keeps a rifle more than 6 months.



Re: Deciding on new rifle [Re: newguy00] #8631513 06/30/22 02:32 AM
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If a Savage somehow show .00 groups from 1000

I swear to God I wouldn’t own it

Why would I ever own something I am ashamed to look at?

They don’t even try to make them look decent, makes me sick

I said what I said

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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
But you can't top load a control round feed, that's why I don't care for them.


So much for that being "fake news".

I would also suggest Model 70 owners not use brute force to overcome the design clearances in the bolt of a Model 70. It only takes a second or two to push a round into the top of the magazine so the bolt and extractor can secure it before it enters the chamber. It's the unique sound of the round being snapped into place that you won't hear with a push feed.

Not doubt it was returning soldier familiarity with the controlled feed that led Winchester into keeping it in their post-WWII Model 70's. However, in peacetime settings where reliability in extracting a round is not paramount, I don't see where it offers any advantages over a push feed.

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LOL, Here come the Tikka fan boy/Savage haters.

Of those two, I'd go with the Savage hands down. I own a bunch of Savage rifles and they just flat out shoot, my oldest go-to deer rifle is an old Savage 110 in 243 that I bought used 27 yrs ago. I have never had any trouble out of any of them, ever.....but all of mine are hunting rifles, I don't run them hard on the range like JG does putting thousands of rounds through them a year.

I've got a Tikka in the safe, nothing special. It just sits there.

I've always wanted a Winchester Supergrade, but that's $$. Can't beat a Savage for the price point. Savage and Mossberg are nowhere near the same ballpark.


No brand loyalty here

I stand by, Tikka, Bergara and X Bolt for a decent price point, proven winners, can’t really screw it up, and they tried to not have something not hideous

Pick your caliber from there

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Tikka made a lot of hay when they were $200-300 cheaper. They've corrected that. They are still great rifles but they're no longer the bargain they once were.


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Originally Posted by QuitShootinYoungBucks
Tikka made a lot of hay when they were $200-300 cheaper. They've corrected that. They are still great rifles but they're no longer the bargain they once were.


They were basic no frills rifles with black plastic ugly stocks and blueing. New ones add nicer looking stock, camo, cerekote, threaded muzzles. They did a good job of reacting to the market.



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Originally Posted by scottfromdallas
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Tikka made a lot of hay when they were $200-300 cheaper. They've corrected that. They are still great rifles but they're no longer the bargain they once were.


They were basic no frills rifles with black plastic ugly stocks and blueing. New ones add nicer looking stock, camo, cerekote, threaded muzzles. They did a good job of reacting to the market.


No matter which model Tikka you get, they are still one of the most accurate, least picky, and reliable out of the box rifles you can buy, at any price.

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Originally Posted by Jgraider
No matter which model Tikka you get, they are still one of the most accurate, least picky, and reliable out of the box rifles you can buy, at any price.


There is not a Tikka in my safe, but I agree with that. I've yet to see one that didn't shoot out of the box. I'm a buy once, cry once person and like custom rifles. However, if I have any friends that are new to shooting or asking about just a deer rifle I point them towards a Tikka.


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Originally Posted by Jgraider
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Tikka made a lot of hay when they were $200-300 cheaper. They've corrected that. They are still great rifles but they're no longer the bargain they once were.


They were basic no frills rifles with black plastic ugly stocks and blueing. New ones add nicer looking stock, camo, cerekote, threaded muzzles. They did a good job of reacting to the market.


No matter which model Tikka you get, they are still one of the most accurate, least picky, and reliable out of the box rifles you can buy, at any price.



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Originally Posted by scottfromdallas
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Tikka made a lot of hay when they were $200-300 cheaper. They've corrected that. They are still great rifles but they're no longer the bargain they once were.


They were basic no frills rifles with black plastic ugly stocks and blueing. New ones add nicer looking stock, camo, cerekote, threaded muzzles. They did a good job of reacting to the market.

They also just increased existing designs. I got my first stainless CTR for $850. They're now like $1100 for a stainless. No difference in anything really except they adjusted price. And this was before covid, so it's got nothing to do with recent inflation or supply chain.

Still a bargain for their performance but I probably never would have got into Tikka at today's prices.

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Regardless the rifle you pick if it is intended to be used primarily for Whitetail deer (at distances less than 300 yds) you might consider the 7mm-08 unless you have a good reason for wanting .308


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Originally Posted by flintknapper
Regardless the rifle you pick if it is intended to be used primarily for Whitetail deer (at distances less than 300 yds) you might consider the 7mm-08 unless you have a good reason for wanting .308

30 caliber with .243 recoil is how I describe my .308.



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Regardless the rifle you pick if it is intended to be used primarily for Whitetail deer (at distances less than 300 yds) you might consider the 7mm-08 unless you have a good reason for wanting .308

30 caliber with .243 recoil is how I describe my .308.


.308 ammo is also one the easiest to find these days.


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