Well, I did hit 9 of 10 bullseyes shooting for score offhand at Edson Range in Marine Basic. The rifle was a Winchester made M14.

Uhm, just no. The job of fitting is to get point of impact and point of aim to match. This involves many factors and many guns aside from just o/u’s and dealing with “cant”.

It’s evident that I’m probably the only one here to have picked up a fitted rifle with only a front bead and point it at a 10x10” target at 200yds and hit it offhand. That’s the beauty of pointability and shoot ability, something drastically overlooked in todays rifle trends mostly concerned with accuracy. Not that that’s bad, we are really discussing two different tools.

Custom fitting modern scope rifle is waste of money

You build and redo rifles for a living, specializing in higher end doubles Etc.

My wife semi/beretta is custom fitted including lengthen LOP, stock twisted and shined etc. why I said predominantly. My CG OU is custom fitted.

You are the only one here that’s going to grab an old world rifle and do that, infact you are one of the few that might actually own one. That was my point about modern scoped rifles. It’s two different tools. If I was building or buying a custom doubles open sighted for Africa I would get it fitted.

But none of the scoped rifles I had built in last few years are custom fitted or balanced in any form. There is no need.
They range from 6.5 lbs to 10lbs and all built for different things.

Custom fitting modern scope rifle is waste of money

To you it may be Bobo. Keep in mind though, you are the same fellow that was talking smack about my sons offhand prowess using a fitted rifle to do something you can not do with the gear you use so there is that. Also keep in mind that parallax is only an issue with a scoped rifle if your mount does not put and keep your pupil dead center in the ocular, so there is that too.

A free hand shot over 200 yards in MY world is reckless(again only in my world) , it’s not because it’s not doable(although you are purposely choosing to introduce a very high margin of error, regardless of the shooter) its because IF YOU HAVE to take that shot at that distance you are solely focused on a target in a fleeting moment and forget what’s behind it etc,“

He brought Bird/duck hunters into a rifle thread, and didn’t understand his own analogy. You can’t compare the way for fitting OU shotgun to a rifle. Reasoning is different.

I completely disagree with you, shooting at a high level is at an all time high, with standards of accuracy being exceeded daily. Practice practice practice. We can break down the design of biathlon rifles and then debate why those designs are not carried over to the general shooting world if you want. As I shot biathlon for a brief period in Colorado

Point I’m making is the OP is discussing a topic that he has no actual impactful knowledge in, especially since in previous statements He condemned any kind of rest, tripod, bipod etc


A free hand shot over 200 yards in MY world is reckless(again only in my world) , it’s not because it’s not doable(although you are purposely choosing to introduce a very high margin of error, regardless of the shooter) its because IF YOU HAVE to take that shot at that distance you are solely focused on a target in a fleeting moment and forget what’s behind it etc, you are whining it. That’s my opinion, I personally would not be happy if my kid took a freehand shot at a rutting buck at that distance. Anyone else I have no judgment for.

If we follow the OP’s advice I’d be building a rifle for a one off scenario of jump shooting mule deer, elk, pronghorn, or I guess ducks with a rifle as he interjected … we would be weighting barrels and stocks, twisting stocks, changing combos etc, while not ACTIVELY seeking any kind of accuracy improvement opportunity to make a more accurate and humane shot

Some can go around practicing biathlon type scenarios, but I will teach the process of eliminating margin of error as much as possible instead of inducing.

I have truley fitted custom shot guns, by those that honed their craft well before TDK. I know why I had them fitted, that carry over to my rifles world is pointless.

Meh…

I received a PM from a non participating member stating "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Wisdom I continually look past.

To you it may be Bobo. Keep in mind though, you are the same fellow that was talking smack about my sons offhand prowess using a fitted rifle to do something you can not do with the gear you use so there is that. Also keep in mind that parallax is only an issue with a scoped rifle if your mount does not put and keep your pupil dead center in the ocular, so there is that too.

A free hand shot over 200 yards in MY world is reckless(again only in my world) , it’s not because it’s not doable(although you are purposely choosing to introduce a very high margin of error, regardless of the shooter) its because IF YOU HAVE to take that shot at that distance you are solely focused on a target in a fleeting moment and forget what’s behind it etc,“

I’m sure an offhand shot at 200 is reckless to you Bobo. Although I’ve noticed you know everything. When I was 12 years old I could shoot rifle or shotgun much better than I can now and I’m 47. I shot every day and killed several hundred jackrabbits a week when a brick cost $8. Shooting quail was something we did every day of season with a shotgun. Dove limits were at least 3 days a week during season in west Tx. My youngest shoots every day and I’d put him up against anyone offhand. I’m glad you know your limits. Pointing and shooting a rifle offhand is natural to some. I don’t believe in wasting ammo at the range for anything but developing a load. Quit downplaying Smokey. I’d bet whatever you want to put up he or his son could outshoot you with any weapon you wanted to pick.

A free hand shot over 200 yards in MY world is reckless(again only in my world) , it’s not because it’s not doable(although you are purposely choosing to introduce a very high margin of error, regardless of the shooter) its because IF YOU HAVE to take that shot at that distance you are solely focused on a target in a fleeting moment and forget what’s behind it etc,“

Yeah, or it might have been a well executed stalk using wind and terrain to get in front of the deer and in position for a safe shot within his capability as it came to us that worked out just like we planned it. Don’t apply your skill set or make silly assumptions about what skills I’ve taught my son to suit our circumstances or what I’ve passed down to him about getting around in the presence of an animal to get the shot you want.

Also, all our late military sniper rifles are in a chassis that is highly modular and adjustable. And before that, they taught you to use a SAME splint to fit your comb/customize your stock weld.

It is most certainly not a waste of money to have a rifle fitted.

I want to see some of these off hand running 200 yard neck shots. Not it happened once kind of thing but you could do it every time. Come on get a video camera put it on YouTube and get rich… my guess is goose egg it ain’t happening. I damn sure can’t nor could I when I was young and shot a lot either.

I want to see some of these off hand running 200 yard neck shots. Not it happened once kind of thing but you could do it every time. Come on get a video camera put it on YouTube and get rich… my guess is goose egg it ain’t happening. I damn sure can’t nor could I when I was young and shot a lot either.