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Re: Arrowheads [Re: Ringtail] #8620165 06/14/22 04:21 PM
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Thanks Ringtail.....I'll look into those options.

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I forgot to mention that most of these places allow half day (4 hours) digging for half the price and the ones that allow ground searching usually charge around 80 to 100 dollars for the 8 eight hours, I believe. Be sure to bring a popup, drinks, food, hat and maybe foldup chairs as they usually take off an hour at lunch. So, it's really 9 hours of being out there. I have been to one where lunch was included. Often bathrooms are out in the bushes although some are close enough to towns to leave temporarily and go during the lunch hour at a gas station. Most are cash only. Usually have 12 years old and under free or some cut price. Two people usually work one table, although I have seen a group of three or four on one before.

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Here is me at a screen dig outside Bandera with a good blade.

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Originally Posted by Ringtail
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Here is me at a screen dig outside Bandera with a good blade.

Was that next to Bandera Creek?

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No, that was at a place on what was known as Indian Creek, I believe. I actually went to two different digs outside Bandera and one outside Medina.

Re: Arrowheads [Re: Ringtail] #8620305 06/14/22 08:20 PM
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Was that the ones that were posted on Texas chert,where the guy separated them in the video ?The 2 big black ones ?
If so that was amazing .Unbelievable find.

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Yes, that was them! Once in a lifetime find on a screen!

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Nice collection!

I have spent hours looking for them and I think I have only found 2 while actually looking for them. Both of those were busted but it was still obvious what it was. I have found 4 others just doing other things and all 4 of those were complete heads. Even more crazy than that is the 2 best heads I have found were both found in Dallas county and the absolute best head I have ever found was when I was 13-14 years old playing in the creek behind my house. That one was also my very first find. I will see if I can get a pic of them later.

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I've heard the biggest site/dig where points were discovered in Texas was on Leon Creek, very close to where La Cantera mall now is in San Antonio (NNW Loop 1604).


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The collection posted by the original poster is a tremendous gathering of artifacts!

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Most people don't realize that most of these points aren't "arrowheads' at all. True arrowheads are very small and were only used in Texas after about 700 AD, when the bow first came into usage. Most of the flint and chert points are thousands of years old and were used with atlatl throwing darts and are larger in size. Many of what people think were "spear" points are actually knives or blades. These were created by unnamed tribes and are considered by era such as paleo, early archaic, archaic, woodlands, prehistoric, etc. The Comanches for example didn't appear on the Texas plains until about 1760 and were using metal so called "trade points" manufactured from barrel hoops, scrap metal from wagons, or made by Europeans. So flint points are more associated with a time or era than a specific tribe.

I myself have points 2 to 10 thousand years old that were found within feet of true Steiner arrowheads which are between 400 and 1300 years old. All on my campsite that was used for thousands of years in the piney woods.

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Originally Posted by Ringtail
Most people don't realize that most of these points aren't "arrowheads' at all. True arrowheads are very small and were only used in Texas after about 700 AD, when the bow first came into usage. Most of the flint and chert points are thousands of years old and were used with atlatl throwing darts and are larger in size. Many of what people think were "spear" points are actually knives or blades. These were created by unnamed tribes and are considered by era such as paleo, early archaic, archaic, woodlands, prehistoric, etc. The Comanches for example didn't appear on the Texas plains until about 1760 and were using metal so called "trade points" manufactured from barrel hoops, scrap metal from wagons, or made by Europeans. So flint points are more associated with a time or era than a specific tribe.

I myself have points 2 to 10 thousand years old that were found within feet of true Steiner arrowheads which are between 400 and 1300 years old. All on my campsite that was used for thousands of years in the piney woods.

Thanks so much for the tutorial, Ringtail! How do you date your points: from 2 to 10 thousand years old? Is there a "signature" revealed by the knapping technique on each piece?

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For what it's worth, many of those items are from Texas but quite a few were found on the Arabian Peninsula.
I do not know which are which.

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mikei, During certain eras in various regions multiple types of points were manufactured. Different locales in the US may have a different name for the same general type found in Texas. If a person can identify what type point they have then they can give a general time frame of its manufacture. This might be something like 2500 to 4000 years BP (before present). or like the early triangular point that I have that is a transitional paleo to early archaic time frame of about 7000 to 9000 years BP. Ten feet from that one my son dug up a San Patrice variation which is 8000 to 1000 BP. Yet I have found true arrowheads called Frileys and Steiners that are many thousands of years newer on the same little bluff that are no more than 1300 years old and probably newer than that. I have found a few dozen different types in that one clear area on a small high ground.

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This Langtry would have been one of my best ever if the ear was not broken off. The length was 1 3/4" but the incredible part was its thickness just 3/32" . I was digging in Junction Texas

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Very nice one!

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Originally Posted by driftwood257
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The general consensus is they were not hafted and it was a simple wrist strap. A lot of folks have they're own idea as to their purpose, I imagine they're used in hide work and I heard many say they were used for scraping the thorns off of Prickly Pear pads. Prickly Pear was eaten all year long, pads and Tuna's.


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Most people don't realize that most of these points aren't "arrowheads' at all. True arrowheads are very small and were only used in Texas after about 700 AD, when the bow first came into usage. Most of the flint and chert points are thousands of years old and were used with atlatl throwing darts and are larger in size. Many of what people think were "spear" points are actually knives or blades. These were created by unnamed tribes and are considered by era such as paleo, early archaic, archaic, woodlands, prehistoric, etc. The Comanches for example didn't appear on the Texas plains until about 1760 and were using metal so called "trade points" manufactured from barrel hoops, scrap metal from wagons, or made by Europeans. So flint points are more associated with a time or era than a specific tribe.

I myself have points 2 to 10 thousand years old that were found within feet of true Steiner arrowheads which are between 400 and 1300 years old. All on my campsite that was used for thousands of years in the piney woods.

Thanks so much for the tutorial, Ringtail! How do you date your points: from 2 to 10 thousand years old? Is there a "signature" revealed by the knapping technique on each piece?


You can start about right here.

Clovis Point. They claim to be from 10 to 13 thousand years old. I'm not sure I buy that 100%.
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I didn't lay them out this way but they kind of show the transition from dart points to arrowheads.
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For decades Clovis were thought to be the oldest peoples and points found in the US but now at the Gault Site in Bell County TX, archeologists believe they have found tools and points made by people up to 15000 years ago. They have also found older artifacts at other sites fairly recently. Funny thing is that some of the Clovis, First View, Folsum, Midland and other paleo points were better, more skillfully- made then some of the later points over the next several thousands of years like some skill was lost as the larger game became extinct. Later the craftsmanship picked up again. The Clovis peoples and their technology lasted only about 350 to 400 years for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Ringtail
For decades Clovis were thought to be the oldest peoples and points found in the US but now at the Gault Site in Bell County TX, archeologists believe they have found tools and points made by people up to 15000 years ago. They have also found older artifacts at other sites fairly recently. Funny thing is that some of the Clovis, First View, Folsum, Midland and other paleo points were better, more skillfully- made then some of the later points over the next several thousands of years like some skill was lost as the larger game became extinct. Later the craftsmanship picked up again. The Clovis peoples and their technology lasted only about 350 to 400 years for some reason.


Given the footprints in White Sands, I think a lot of sites are going to get a second look.

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Great collection. I love that corner tang. Finding one of those is on my bucket list .
I have found some good ones but not a corner tang . I will keep trying .


I found a corner tang once. I was somewhere near Fort Chadbourne sitting under a balanced boulder at the peak of a round mountain watching for turkeys. We called it nipple peak. The corner tang I found laying behind me up under the boulder. I did not want to break or lose it so I carefully folded it into a paper towel, placed it in my breast pocket, and buttoned it closed. Soon I saw a nice tom but it would not respond to my calls. I saw it was headed to a stock tank, so I ran a wide circle and set up on the edge of the stock tank. Soon I shot my turkey. I even remember patting my pocket to make sure my corner tang was still there, even though there was no way it could fall out. Arriving at camp with my turkey I wanted a picture of the Turkey and corner tang together. I removed the paper towl from my pocket, carefully unfolded it, and nothing was there. Being an arrowhead collector and hunting them every chance I get, you can understand how devastated I was missing the only corner tang I had ever found. Corner tangs perhaps being ceremonial pieces must be bad medicine. There is no way I could have lost it.


We hunted just North of Nipple Peak in Coke County not far from Fort Chadbourne, back in the mid 90s.


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From a friend in Young County who has spent the last 50 years so searching & collecting.

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Any idea what the two on the far right are? The oval shaped ones?

Years ago when I was a kid my Dad got a couple loads of sandy loam. While spreading it we found one similar and another that was smaller and more similar to the light tan colored one on the bottom center of that pic. Thought it was weird to find them there - but either way it was pretty cool.

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Nice collection! I have become a full blown arrowhead hunting addict. Ive found probably 150 and likely walked 1500 miles in the process. Ive given a good amount to buddies and family but here are two frames i've put together.

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Very nice collections!

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