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 Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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I wasnt really shopping but another thread has got my juices going. My binos are ancient and I could use a new pair with RF and Im ready to "buy once cry once". Judd posted this link on Swaro and said it was a great price. Its a close out price at $2500. Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42. https://www.eurooptic.com/swarovski-el-range-binocular-fieldpro-package-10x42-70020.aspxMy problem is I want this to be easy. I will just keep using my old ones if I have to do a bunch of research. Unless yall can talk me out of these then I will probably pull the trigger, maybe tomorrow or Thur. What I WANT is GREAT glass and GOOD RF, along with simplistic and minimalistic operating. 10x. What I do NOT WANT is ballistic stuff or anything complicated. If I need instructions or training then Ill stand pat with my old reliable. I also DO NOT care if its the perfect product or the cheapest product. I just want it to do what I want it to do and I want it to last about forever. Thanks in advance for any input.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/07/22 10:49 PM
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What is your "old reliable"?
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/07/22 10:55 PM
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I have elected to keep the binocs and RF separate. Binocular technology is, arguably, about as good as it gets these days. Rangefinders, on the other hand, keep getting better. Admittedly, I just hunt on this place any more, and I know distances to most spots, so a RF is something I need, but not something I need all the time. Hunting multiple places and unknown distances, however, would possibly lead me to a combined unit.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/07/22 10:57 PM
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Absolutely buy those or Leica Geovid 3200. They are alpha glass, and good lasers.
The Leica is supposed to be a great laser, with 3200 yard range (which I do need). I went with the Leicas, since they compensate for angle, and have and have a smaller reticle.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/07/22 11:23 PM
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What is your "old reliable"? Creek, old reliable is Leupold 10x40 I won at DSC big buck contest in 1992ish. No idea what model. I look through friends high end binos and can’t seem to tell difference but they laugh at me and say I’m blind, which I am.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/07/22 11:26 PM
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603, very good idea about bino tech kinda leveling out while RF may not be. In my case I don’t need big improvement in RF since I won’t range very far and don’t want the ballistic stuff.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/07/22 11:30 PM
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Fireman, how much are those Leicas? These Swaro are supposed to do angle compensation as well.
I guess for bow hunting I still have to carry separate RF cause specs say it only goes down to 33 yards. Do others go lower/closer?
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/08/22 12:02 AM
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I don’t own a swaro el range Binos, but I have two pairs of swaro binoculars. They are nothing short of phenomenal in optics quality. I have played with a pair of el range my guide had on one of my hunts. I can’t imagine anyone being unhappy with the optics quality and range finding ability. You’ll pay a steep price but as you said buy once cry once.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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freerange, I think I read where the new Geovid Pro's like DStroud talked about range from 10 yds to 2500. I doubt there's much discernable difference between the Swaro and Leica optics. The new Leicas have a 10 yr passport warranty, no fault, covers everything including electronics. That's a great warranty in comparison to most everyone except Vortex.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/08/22 12:21 AM
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Thanks Erny and others.
Jgraider, if any of the other high end ones range down to 10 yards(bow hunting) then that may be enough to get me off the Swaros. Is all else the same? 10x? Its probably got the ballistic stuff though which I guess I wouldnt have to use as long as it didnt complicate other functions. Price is more I assume...???
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/08/22 12:37 AM
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I think the MSRP is around $2800. Not sure if there are deals to be found or not.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/08/22 11:54 AM
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Fireman, how much are those Leicas? These Swaro are supposed to do angle compensation as well.
I guess for bow hunting I still have to carry separate RF cause specs say it only goes down to 33 yards. Do others go lower/closer? Look at them at Camera Land and Euro Optic. Think the laser goes down to 10 yards.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/08/22 01:43 PM
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Thanks Fireman. Double thanks for teaching me to fish instead of just giving me the fish. I guess Camera Land and Euro optic can answer a lot of my questions(duh.) I dont buy much stuff and Im not used to researching. I guess I assume any phone call will be like most tech support where you talk to robots or in foreign languages. Is Camera Land the guy thats on here? Doug/Bullfrog or something?
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR
Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/08/22 01:45 PM
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Thanks Fireman. Double thanks for teaching me to fish instead of just giving me the fish. I guess Camera Land and Euro optic can answer a lot of my questions(duh.) I dont buy much stuff and Im not used to researching. I guess I assume any phone call will be like most tech support where you talk to robots or in foreign languages. Is Camera Land the guy thats on here? Doug/Bullfrog or something? Doug here and my pleasure to speak with you, 516-217-1000, if you have a few moments to give a call.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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Update...New box to check. This is a good example of why I shouldnt buy a high price item without researching. I never even thought about using the RF Bino in a bow hunting application. I would hate to spend 2500 to 3000 and still have to fumble with a separate RF for short distance bow hunting. My passion is rifle hunting and the quality bino is more important for that, but I have just started to hunt the same big WT with an xbow and would want the RF Bino to work there also. The Swaro only ranges down to 33 yds(per specs) and apparently others will go closer. The main reason I got on Swaro was it was a good closeout price. This knocks Swaro out so Im more open now to options. If I can get a human sales rep on the phone that represents multiple lines then maybe I can narrow this down.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR
Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/08/22 01:55 PM
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Well, Doug typed faster than me. Give me a little bit and Ill call.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR
Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/08/22 02:39 PM
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FR, doug will take care of you, good dude and will give you as good a price as you will find.
Having said that, i know you hunt mostly xbow, but one thing to consider is the bulkiness of the binos vs the small form factor of a simple range finder, and how that will impact your ability to put down the binos at that range or let them hang and potentially clang against your xbow while attempting to shoot. For that reason A LOT of bow hunters prefer two separate units, one to use while gun hunting and scouting and one for bow hunting.
The swaro ELs are great, as are the Leica RF binos. Premium glass and excellent range finding capabilities in terms of ease of use and reliability. Each can connect to a ballistic app in some form but you don’t need that.
Just adding more thought to the pile you are already thinking about
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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Agreed. Nothing wrong with getting a fairly inexpensive, separate, range finder just for bow hunting. I wouldn't think you'd ever need binos for bow hunting, especially not 10X. And there are range finders small enough that they will fit in a shirt pocket. Sig Kilo being one. But back to the 10X Leica binos. Where I hunt in SW Texas, there is line of sight on the ranch for literally over a mile. Glossing canyon walls, looking for animals, I se trails and believe I could hit something on that trail. Then I range it, and it's over 1000 yards, then think "better not". Point being extremely clear and crisp 10X will make you think things are much closer than they are. An example \/\/ ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2022/06/full-10697-350360-20211210_165755.jpg)
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/08/22 04:32 PM
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Texbuck and Fireman, thanks for advice on maybe a separate RF for bow. I’m new to adding xbow hunting along with rifle so I’ll admit to being unsure incorporating binos and RF with xbow. So far I have used RF AND binos so I’m assuming going to RF/bino combo will be better. Some of our bow setups you can see a long ways so can’t imagine hunting without binos.
I’m at my retina specialist(yep, blind) so I’ve got another update in a bit.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/08/22 04:56 PM
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Ok, talked to Doug at Camera Land. VERY impressed with him. Family owned company for years and he’s part of family. Did not seem hard sell in any way and took all the time I needed. Seemed knowledgeable and even seemed a little old school like me. I’m sure he’s able to speak to whatever audience he has but he seemed relatable to me and my situation.
Doug had an expensive suggestion and one half the price and I’m now considering the two.
Leica Geovid 3200 10x40. I don’t need the ballistics but it has them. Seems to check all my boxes and at a higher level than maybe I need.
GPO Range Guide 10x50. Does NOT have ballistics but I don’t need anyway. He says great glass and RF. I think this may be in the class of Vortex Fury HD. I assumed the “50” would make a size difference that I wouldn’t like but it’s same size as Leica.
Any comments on the two or anything else? Remember, I need(I think) an option that ranges close for bow hunting.
Also, where can I walk in and put my hands on some of these? DFW, ETx or I’ll drive about anywhere.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR
Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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Scheels, Bass Pro, Cabelas in DFW for the Leicas. I would call and have them put on hold so you can guarantee they are there when you arrive.
As far as the GPOs the only place I see in DFW listed is DFW shootings sports in Bedford. I would call to make sure they are in stock. I have never heard of GPO before, which doesn’t mean anything.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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Doug is good people. You're talking to the right folks. I can't comment on any of the options you're considering, but the Leica or Swaro would normally get my vote. That said, if you're half blind, the glass quality may not matter that much and the GPO option Doug suggested would get some serious consideration.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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06/08/22 08:03 PM
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TheRing, thanks, Im gonna call around.
Patriot, good comment on my eyesight. My eyesight is probably not THAT bad. I have wondered if less than ideal vision would keep a person from being able to really get all out of the top end glass. Common sense says that better optics make bad eyes better but I wonder if the difference is appreciable over the next level down of optics.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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Ok, talked to Doug at Camera Land. VERY impressed with him. Family owned company for years and he’s part of family. Did not seem hard sell in any way and took all the time I needed. Seemed knowledgeable and even seemed a little old school like me. I’m sure he’s able to speak to whatever audience he has but he seemed relatable to me and my situation.
Doug had an expensive suggestion and one half the price and I’m now considering the two.
Leica Geovid 3200 10x40. I don’t need the ballistics but it has them. Seems to check all my boxes and at a higher level than maybe I need.
GPO Range Guide 10x50. Does NOT have ballistics but I don’t need anyway. He says great glass and RF. I think this may be in the class of Vortex Fury HD. I assumed the “50” would make a size difference that I wouldn’t like but it’s same size as Leica.
Any comments on the two or anything else? Remember, I need(I think) an option that ranges close for bow hunting.
Also, where can I walk in and put my hands on some of these? DFW, ETx or I’ll drive about anywhere. I have the GPO Range Guide 10x50. To me the glass is clear, they are light, smaller than a lot of 10x50's. The range finder is fast and will range out to 3000 yds hard target and out to 800 yd soft non reflective target (deer etc). Can't compare them to the Leica's as I wasn't able to look through them.
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Re: Swaro EL Range Bino 10x42...Advise
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