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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 04:30 PM
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The US government protects everything it values with guns. So make a list and figure it out.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 04:38 PM
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Lets start by building more jails and mental hospitals, aka storage units for nut jobs. Let's lock up all the habitual trouble makers and known nut cases and throw away key. Then LEO could focus more on watching potential threats and less time chasing the same old idiots around 24/7. Negative, we have plenty of those money sucking leeches. Death row, kill em all. That makes more space. Bring back the chain gang working on our roads. Prison won't be so much fun anymore, and that will also make more space. You got that right, JG.. I'm for making jail time,as freaking miserable as possible.. If it was up to me. We'd have the cleanest roads, in the world.. And not one single Louisiana pot hole. They'd be raising their own food. Running their own farm. And pulling weeds with their butt cheeks.. By the time they got outta jail. "If and when. society thinks their no longer a threat." "In my world, there would be no specific jail time".. You'd have to earn your way out". But if you did, You'd be one heck of a farmer, a mechanic, heavy equipment operator. Or any other number of things to benefit society.... And their ain't gonna be no second, third, fourth or 25th time. Three strikes.. And I find a wall...
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
[Re: Sailor]
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05/31/22 04:43 PM
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Lets start by building more jails and mental hospitals, aka storage units for nut jobs. Let's lock up all the habitual trouble makers and known nut cases and throw away key. Then LEO could focus more on watching potential threats and less time chasing the same old idiots around 24/7. Negative, we have plenty of those money sucking leeches. Death row, kill em all. That makes more space. Bring back the chain gang working on our roads. Prison won't be so much fun anymore, and that will also make more space. You got that right, JG.. I'm for making jail time,as freaking miserable as possible.. If it was up to me. We'd have the cleanest roads, in the world.. And not one single Louisiana pot hole. They'd be raising their own food. Running their own farm. And pulling weeds with their butt cheeks.. By the time they got outta jail. "If and when. society thinks their no longer a threat." "In my world, there would be no specific jail time".. You'd have to earn your way out". But if you did, You'd be one heck of a farmer, a mechanic, heavy equipment operator. Or any other number of things to benefit society.... And their ain't gonna be no second, third, fourth or 25th time. Three strikes.. And I find a wall... Sounds like how I try to parent. You get in trouble, you don't go sit in your room. You go clean, do chores, etc..
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
[Re: Roll-Tide]
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05/31/22 05:37 PM
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Chicago had 800 murders last year. Canada had 675. Seems like a drastic step by Trudeau. Of course, he is the target of much of Canada’s problems.
Canada has 40 million people.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 06:17 PM
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I absolutely hate the “ the brain isn’t fully developed until 25” argument.
It’s just another excuse for people to extend their adolescence and delay becoming an adult and to justify immature behavior.
A few hundred years ago people under 25 were fighting war, conquering countries and running enterprises. Turns out they did all that without fully developed Brains……
I made different decisions at 25 than I did at 18 because Of life experiences and learning from my mistakes, not because of brain development
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 06:24 PM
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I would be willing to give up all of my guns (and I have a lot!) if I knew another person would never die by gun violence again.
In fact, I am willing to take a chance on the theory raised by the left that this works. I will put my guns in escrow, and the left puts $100,000 in escrow for each gun I own. If no one ever dies from gun violence, they keep my guns. If someone dies (in other words, their theory failed), then I get my guns back plus the money.
Anyone willing to put your money where your mouth is? What about mob violence, knife violence, etc. I’m not willing to give up my guns just to prevent gun violence.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 06:31 PM
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If you're 18 years old, and don't understand that murdering innocent people is wrong, then you need to be locked up the rest of your life.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 06:32 PM
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Here is a quote from a commenter in another website:
"These assault weapons are weapons of war. They should not be in the hands of citizens! The 2nd Amendment does not give you the right to own any gun you want, it's for forming a militia. We need many more laws to protect our citizens starting with eliminating assault weapons and handguns. Then we should have a 2 month waiting period for any other hunting type weapon. Raise the age to 30 for ownership. You cannot travel with it unless you are to go hunting. It must be stored at the police station in a locked safe that you have to sign for it and bring it back."
Yep folks, they are out there and they vote.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 06:34 PM
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I will worry about gun control when I see the feds actually acting serious abouit it, example #1 If you lied to buy a firearm, fear not the feds. Your chances of being prosecuted by the Justice Department for falsifying information to illegally buy a gun are almost zero. Reviews by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System in fiscal 2017 led to 112,000 gun-purchase denials because people were in forbidden categories, according to a new report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). The Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) investigated 12,700 of those cases. How many of the investigated cases resulted in prosecutions? Twelve. That’s 0.09 percent of the cases ATF investigated. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/lying-buy-gun-fear-not-feds/
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 06:36 PM
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I will worry about gun control when I see the feds actually acting serious abouit it, example #1 If you lied to buy a firearm, fear not the feds. Your chances of being prosecuted by the Justice Department for falsifying information to illegally buy a gun are almost zero. Reviews by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System in fiscal 2017 led to 112,000 gun-purchase denials because people were in forbidden categories, according to a new report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). The Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) investigated 12,700 of those cases. How many of the investigated cases resulted in prosecutions? Twelve. That’s 0.09 percent of the cases ATF investigated. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/lying-buy-gun-fear-not-feds/And none of them were the coke snorting son of a sitting president who admitted he lied on the form.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 06:41 PM
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I absolutely hate the “ the brain isn’t fully developed until 25” argument.
It’s just another excuse for people to extend their adolescence and delay becoming an adult and to justify immature behavior.
A few hundred years ago people under 25 were fighting war, conquering countries and running enterprises. Turns out they did all that without fully developed Brains……
I made different decisions at 25 than I did at 18 because Of life experiences and learning from my mistakes, not because of brain development Well you may hate it but it is true. Yes at 18 they know better. Sometimes knowing better doesn't keep them from doing it but either life experience or more maturity might. Who knows that's all debatable I suppose. The only reason I bring it up is due to research of the brain as it pertains to education. When I taught school and worked on my masters brain development was a topic. Does it apply to these situations? I would hope not, but you never know what is going through the mind of someone that age. At least there's research that backs that sort of thing up unlike arguments that somehow AR's are assault rifles and that the rounds magically blow people up and more bang for the buck as some have put it. Just for the record I'm a 2A staunch supporter. I have a safe full of guns and ammo. 3 AR's, multiple handguns, rifles and shotguns. I am, however, open to common sense solutions that make sense to help mitigate more Uvalde's from happening. To think nothing is going to happen is naive. In my opinion it's probably better to get out in front of this before the nut bag left starts banning things altogether. That's where it's going.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 06:58 PM
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I will worry about gun control when I see the feds actually acting serious abouit it, example #1 If you lied to buy a firearm, fear not the feds. Your chances of being prosecuted by the Justice Department for falsifying information to illegally buy a gun are almost zero. Reviews by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System in fiscal 2017 led to 112,000 gun-purchase denials because people were in forbidden categories, according to a new report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). The Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) investigated 12,700 of those cases. How many of the investigated cases resulted in prosecutions? Twelve. That’s 0.09 percent of the cases ATF investigated. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/lying-buy-gun-fear-not-feds/And none of them were the coke snorting son of a sitting president who admitted he lied on the form. which is why I for one will not comply with any new laws they pass, then you also have this. What research shows on the effectiveness of gun-control laws https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ch-shows-effectiveness-gun-control-laws/when you factor in population growth over time the ratio of shootings stayed almost the same and the same lunatics committed them.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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I absolutely hate the “ the brain isn’t fully developed until 25” argument.
It’s just another excuse for people to extend their adolescence and delay becoming an adult and to justify immature behavior.
A few hundred years ago people under 25 were fighting war, conquering countries and running enterprises. Turns out they did all that without fully developed Brains……
I made different decisions at 25 than I did at 18 because Of life experiences and learning from my mistakes, not because of brain development Well you may hate it but it is true. Yes at 18 they know better. Sometimes knowing better doesn't keep them from doing it but either life experience or more maturity might. Who knows that's all debatable I suppose. The only reason I bring it up is due to research of the brain as it pertains to education. When I taught school and worked on my masters brain development was a topic. Does it apply to these situations? I would hope not, but you never know what is going through the mind of someone that age. At least there's research that backs that sort of thing up unlike arguments that somehow AR's are assault rifles and that the rounds magically blow people up and more bang for the buck as some have put it. Just for the record I'm a 2A staunch supporter. I have a safe full of guns and ammo. 3 AR's, multiple handguns, rifles and shotguns. I am, however, open to common sense solutions that make sense to help mitigate more Uvalde's from happening. To think nothing is going to happen is naive. In my opinion it's probably better to get out in front of this before the nut bag left starts banning things altogether. That's where it's going. Seeing the headlines concerning banning of certain types of firearms and calibers it leads me to believe appeasement is not the answer. We have gone from tightening the process to outright calls for bans in just a few days. The left is not wanting a deal short of disarming the public. To think otherwise is not realistic.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 07:09 PM
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If you're 18 years old, and don't understand that murdering innocent people is wrong, then you need to be locked up the rest of your life. I agree, let’s start with that
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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I absolutely hate the “ the brain isn’t fully developed until 25” argument.
It’s just another excuse for people to extend their adolescence and delay becoming an adult and to justify immature behavior.
A few hundred years ago people under 25 were fighting war, conquering countries and running enterprises. Turns out they did all that without fully developed Brains……
I made different decisions at 25 than I did at 18 because Of life experiences and learning from my mistakes, not because of brain development Well you may hate it but it is true. Yes at 18 they know better. Sometimes knowing better doesn't keep them from doing it but either life experience or more maturity might. Who knows that's all debatable I suppose. The only reason I bring it up is due to research of the brain as it pertains to education. When I taught school and worked on my masters brain development was a topic. Does it apply to these situations? I would hope not, but you never know what is going through the mind of someone that age. At least there's research that backs that sort of thing up unlike arguments that somehow AR's are assault rifles and that the rounds magically blow people up and more bang for the buck as some have put it. Just for the record I'm a 2A staunch supporter. I have a safe full of guns and ammo. 3 AR's, multiple handguns, rifles and shotguns. I am, however, open to common sense solutions that make sense to help mitigate more Uvalde's from happening. To think nothing is going to happen is naive. In my opinion it's probably better to get out in front of this before the nut bag left starts banning things altogether. That's where it's going. Seeing the headlines concerning banning of certain types of firearms and calibers it leads me to believe appeasement is not the answer. We have gone from tightening the process to outright calls for bans in just a few days. The left is not wanting a deal short of disarming the public. To think otherwise is not realistic. You very well could be right. I have seen some willing to compromise and accept changes short of banning, but I know that when we start down this path that they won't be happy until all guns are banned and confiscated. They always refer to Canada, Australia, Europe etc as a model to follow. I don't know why they have to go straight to banning. I don't get that logic. I don't understand why they don't want to get to the "why" these things happen. Clearly we aren't the same society that we were when I was in high school and my shotgun and rifle hanging on my gun rack in my truck in the school parking lot and my principal had his shotgun and deer rifle in his office at school. Until you start solving the why it doesn't really make a lot of difference what you ban. There are other tools always available. The copy cat trend worries me and the one upping copy cat certainly gets my attention
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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I absolutely hate the “ the brain isn’t fully developed until 25” argument.
It’s just another excuse for people to extend their adolescence and delay becoming an adult and to justify immature behavior.
A few hundred years ago people under 25 were fighting war, conquering countries and running enterprises. Turns out they did all that without fully developed Brains……
I made different decisions at 25 than I did at 18 because Of life experiences and learning from my mistakes, not because of brain development Well you may hate it but it is true. Yes at 18 they know better. Sometimes knowing better doesn't keep them from doing it but either life experience or more maturity might. Who knows that's all debatable I suppose. The only reason I bring it up is due to research of the brain as it pertains to education. When I taught school and worked on my masters brain development was a topic. Does it apply to these situations? I would hope not, but you never know what is going through the mind of someone that age. At least there's research that backs that sort of thing up unlike arguments that somehow AR's are assault rifles and that the rounds magically blow people up and more bang for the buck as some have put it. Just for the record I'm a 2A staunch supporter. I have a safe full of guns and ammo. 3 AR's, multiple handguns, rifles and shotguns. I am, however, open to common sense solutions that make sense to help mitigate more Uvalde's from happening. To think nothing is going to happen is naive. In my opinion it's probably better to get out in front of this before the nut bag left starts banning things altogether. That's where it's going. Seeing the headlines concerning banning of certain types of firearms and calibers it leads me to believe appeasement is not the answer. We have gone from tightening the process to outright calls for bans in just a few days. The left is not wanting a deal short of disarming the public. To think otherwise is not realistic. You very well could be right. I have seen some willing to compromise and accept changes short of banning, but I know that when we start down this path that they won't be happy until all guns are banned and confiscated. They always refer to Canada, Australia, Europe etc as a model to follow. I don't know why they have to go straight to banning. I don't get that logic. I don't understand why they don't want to get to the "why" these things happen. Clearly we aren't the same society that we were when I was in high school and my shotgun and rifle hanging on my gun rack in my truck in the school parking lot and my principal had his shotgun and deer rifle in his office at school. Until you start solving the why it doesn't really make a lot of difference what you ban. There are other tools always available. The copy cat trend worries me and the one upping copy cat certainly gets my attention I understand your points. Just my 2 cents but I feel we have gotton to where we are now because of our appeasing to the left on a lot of things over the years. At some point we have to take a hard stand and i can think of no other thing to stand for than our Constitution.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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I'm not willing to do a single thing to appease these dirt bag liberals.....
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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I'm not willing to do a single thing to appease these dirt bag liberals..... This^^^^
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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Here's what I'll buy into. Show me a reasonable law that would have actually done something to have stopped any of the recent tragedies at any of the mass shootings in the last few years. Here's a little hint...gun bans would not have stopped any of them. Extended background checks would not have stopped any of them. Waiting periods would not have stopped any of them, and neither would raising the age to legally buy a gun. An outright ban on all guns and confiscation from the public would start a 2nd civil war. So, you tell me. What gun legislation would have stopped any of this?
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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Here's what I'll buy into. Show me a reasonable law that would have actually done something to have stopped any of the recent tragedies at any of the mass shootings in the last few years. Here's a little hint...gun bans would not have stopped any of them. Extended background checks would not have stopped any of them. Waiting periods would not have stopped any of them, and neither would raising the age to legally buy a gun. An outright ban on all guns and confiscation from the public would start a 2nd civil war. So, you tell me. What gun legislation would have stopped any of this? None. It is real simple. Murder is illegal in all 50 states. More people are killed every year with hammers and fists. Should we ban hammers and fists?
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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05/31/22 09:51 PM
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39 killed this weekend alone across America by violence......not a peep from the liberals, because those are gangster on gangster crimes or gangsters shooting / stabbing / running over innocent people.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPvf5RgCU08Bottom line is if we nothing this will keep happening over and over and over again. Maybe when a shooter kills one of your own you will finally see we need change. My one and only 2 cents on this.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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Something will happen some will like it some will not be happy. But as a lawbiding civilized country most will accept it. Those that do not will be a small minority.
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Re: Very controversial. What gun reform could you accept?
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I'd like to see the age raised to 21 to buy ANY gun., Vote, drive, etc. Dumbazz kids don't know chit.
If the kid wants to enlist when he/she is 15 awesome, maybe they would learn something.
BAN Tic Tok, Instagram, Facebook, etc.
BAN Gangsta Rap, Shooter Video Games, etc.
Instantly burned alive when/if caught alive.
I'd say track everyone who is being treated for any Bipolar, mental illness but this would include half the THF.
Some of this is going to affect people's Constitutional rights
But whatever, you asked
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