I do not own a Daniel defense firearm. He works at Whataburger and owns one.. Yea, that does not add up.

I started a thread about that. Poof.

I missed that thread, but...
Even at $150 - $200 a week, in a year that is $7,500 - $10,000. Living at home, this is easily done.

Maybe this is what happens when you have at least 4 different law enforcement organizations at the scene. City Police, Scheriff, DPS and Border Patrol and not one of them actually in charge of the situation. Just a really bad deal and hopefully lessons will be learned.

Reported that teacher had propped door while getting stuff from car, unknowingly allowing gunman entry to school. Once shots were heard, teacher supposedly ran back to door to try and get cellphone from classroom to call cops. Don't you know that teacher is feeling all kinds of guilt and disgust with him/herself. May face some criminal or at least civil negligence when all said and done I'd guess.

Yup.

Unfortunately we have over 20 years of these being more regular than anyone would like. Columbine comes to mind as an earlier one. Lots of agencies have done studies, experimentation, and trained in actual schools. Let SWAT run it. FD shows up within minutes, Paramedics go in with officers. We were told, there will be Police Officers and Fire/EMS you cannot keep from going in. They are going to go in, no matter what. And you will have a group that you can't shove in the door for anything.

Getting every officer a rifle is easily done. Getting every officer force entry tools is easily done. The information and tools are out there for any agency that wants it.

I'm reading that lockdowns are very common in uvaldi. This leads to apathy. Not a good thing.

"Unmistakable Error" per DPS. What a shame.

Unfortunately we have over 20 years of these being more regular than anyone would like. Columbine comes to mind as an earlier one. Lots of agencies have done studies, experimentation, and trained in actual schools. Let SWAT run it. FD shows up within minutes, Paramedics go in with officers. We were told, there will be Police Officers and Fire/EMS you cannot keep from going in. They are going to go in, no matter what. And you will have a group that you can't shove in the door for anything.

Getting every officer a rifle is easily done. Getting every officer force entry tools is easily done. The information and tools are out there for any agency that wants it. [/quote]

Where I am fire and ems are not going into a hot/active scene. Some will be chomping at the bit but not coming in til reduced to warm and that will be w escort.
Ya don’t wait for swat
All the tools and rifles in the world don’t matter if it ain’t with ya when ya need it

And anyone not willing to go need to find other work now before they put others in danger or cause more death of innocents

So many armchair quarterbacks believing what they heard from the biased media. So many people obviously missed their calling in life

Carry a weapon..........
"Woman Shoots Gunman at Party in West Virginia"

https://news.yahoo.com/west-virginia-woman-fatally-shoots-175825774.html

game over

sorry - already on another thread

Where I am fire and ems are not going into a hot/active scene. Some will be chomping at the bit but not coming in til reduced to warm and that will be w escort.
Ya don’t wait for swat
All the tools and rifles in the world don’t matter if it ain’t with ya when ya need it

And anyone not willing to go need to find other work now before they put others in danger or cause more death of innocents[/quote]


I was not clear.

Initial officers in my city will not wait on SWAT. They will go in. Our SWAT Sergeant is a card carrying badazz. He will probably be the one ending up in charge as best I can tell. And yes, all the tools and rifles don't matter if no one has them. Our officers all keep rifle and shotgun in the Tahoes.

We were told, if PD says it's still hot or warm, and we want to go with them, we will be allowed to. But if it is still hot or warm, we will not be ordered in.

A retired PD Lieutenant friend of mine shared a link. It was written by a Sergeant from a different agency. The story is pretty daming.

You know know very well, I am never going to armchair quarterback law enforcement. That yalls lane, and I stay out of it.

Wonder what came across the border since the Border Patrol left and went to the school, did they close the Border?

I don't think it's a stretch to say the open border was also a contributing factor in the shooting for the reasons of apathy because of so many lockdowns caused by illegals crossing the border constantly. LEO's, students, teachers and citizens all became complacent because of it.

Give it a rest man.



I believe most of us waited to hear what law enforcement had to say. We are deeply saddened and in agreement with law enforcement’s self assessment that officers present in that situation “do not wait for orders, they stack up and go immediately with what they have. That may put them in harms way”. Those are not my words. Those are the words of law enforcement. They had vests and firearms. Maybe not what they wished they had but better equipped than the little kids on the other side of the door calling 911. They had pencils. They needed and believed in law enforcement to step up. After listening to law enforcement, with the texas rangers standing behind him, clarify the doctrine Texas law enforcement follows, you can defend the 19 law enforcement officers standing outside the door that 19 children died on the other side of, doing nothing all you want….
God help the families of those poor children.

Oh absolutely, the mayor said as much.

Another reason to secure the damn border...again!

I doubt anything will happen to the teacher. The MSM has already decided who is to blame instead of the guy who shot everyone.

It is a shame that the border will be low if at all on the list of reasons for the massacre. People want retribution and they want it from the most visable cause. One only need to look at the media and social media sites including this one for verification. Likely revenge will be extracted from the LEO's and all the other factors lost in the happiness of punishing the LEO's for inaction. Just my opinion but there is lots of blame to go around. No amount of revenge will lessen the sadness of losing Children.

100%

It’s a shame that so many have fed into what the media is portraying yet again, that LEO’s can do no good in todays society. One of the officers that responded and was trying to gain entry, his kid was killed in the school. Other officers are receiving death threats thanks to the MSM flaming the fire.

The actual killer is the same race as the victims so that didn’t fit the narrative. They just dig around and found something that everyone will gobble up hook, line and sinker. It’s sad most folks can’t figure it out. I’m sure the actual killer is in hell feeling cheated out of his fame now the he’s not to blame anymore.

I wish the media would stop using his name or anything else to describe him other than a piece of sh!t.

I’m very skeptical of the videos outside the school, seems very much after the fact when the crowd is yelling at the cops. Hell, I even saw crime scene tape up.

Not everyone can fit inside the school. 30 officers inside the school should be plenty to secure entrances and help with evacuations and assist with T to be surviving injured.