Lmao

Dad pulls a 12K trailer with a 6.2L gas 1500 GMC and is not overweight. A diesel costs 3X to maintain and 5X to repair when broken. For those that trade every couple of years, go for it. If you plan on taking one to 250K miles, I'd wait and see how they do. Never heard of the "known timing tab issue" but up here in the country, only salespeople buy half ton diesels.

All brands have issues. Pick the brand you like best and go for it...just buy a gas truck.

It may not be overweight, but I guarantee you that 6.2 struggles with it on hills when at highway speed.

And where are you getting the 3x to maintain and 5x to repair from? I'm not buying that one bit.

It's a wildassss guess, just like all of them from those who don't own or have never driven a 1/2T diesel.

Bunch of women playing bridge in here

I can’t operate without big diesels but if the shoe fits wear it, it’s not rocket science so don’t over complicate it.

Resale value won’t be close to a 3/4 ton or larger since your talking about a mini me truck but I can’t see the harm in going with a half ton truck if that will fit your needs. If your paying the expense of operating a diesel then personally I can’t see any advantages of buying a half ton truck and the downsides far outweigh the positives of going with a 3/4 ton or bigger, resale value alone should make it a win win but I’m just a stupid redneck with to many trucks so don’t listen to me

https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2021/08...n-long-crank-start-issues-but-no-recall/

33 pages of it - https://www.duramaxforum.com/threads/3-0-duramax-won%E2%80%99t-fire.1013511/

https://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/topic/253360-30-duramax-with-crank-no-start/

https://www.reddit.com/r/gmcsierra/...rank_no_start_issue_at_the_dealer_for_a/

https://www.dieselplace.com/threads/starting-question-3-0-duramax.987855/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPDHlBbrXf0&ab_channel=PickupTruckPlusSUVTalk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paM2QDBbhYI&ab_channel=Rich%27sGarage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVzHG4kP1oA

Regular unleaded $3.89/gal
Diesel $5.30/gal
If you don’t get a higher % more miles to a gallon than % more diesel costs per gallon than gas your loosing. Who knows what resale will be.

I know, after 38 years of owning them I can say for 100% certainty the diesel will hold it’s value and the gasser will be worth turd soup.If your seriously debating that theory your not so smart. Some of you guys act like this chit hasn’t ever happened before , it’s a cycle and it will happen again and again. Fuel prices get high and a certain group will crap thr pants questioning thr life decisions and wanting to buy a fuel economy truck It takes all types to make the world go round n round but this group makes me question the maturity of people in this country… Some people seem to walk around with blinders on and never look up to see what’s actually going on..

Almost on topic. I sold my programmed 7.3 two years ago and bought a new 3.5 ecoboost. I miss the 7.3…BUT, that ecoboost will pull great. The 10 speed keeps it where it needs to be. Expect 12 mpg towing anything over #5000. At the end of the day it’s a soft truck with plenty of power. If they could figure out how to put that motor in a F250 I think they would have a win.

I'm not all that sure about this statement (bolded above).
I bought a 1999 F250 PS 4x4 CC with 89k miles in 2002 for 22,500. I bought a 2005 chevy 2500 duramax 4x4 CC in 2008 with 34k miles on it for $25,500.
I bought a 2018 Silverado 1500 Z71 CC with 5.3 new for $34,500 +ttl and traded it in last year with almost 90k miles on it and got $31.5k trade in. I'd say that half ton held it's value every bit as good as either 3/4 ton I've bought and or sold.

Half tons loaded up to the max are $60k or so, 3/4 tons are $85k so from day 1 you are into the bigger truck for at least 25% more. Shouldn't it bring 25% more used than the 1/2 tons?

My only point is that I'm seeing 3 and 4 year old 1/2 tons selling for damn near what they sold for new right now so to me that means they are holding their value pretty damn well.

You can’t use today’s current issues for the long term returns, I get what your saying but the current issue is more of a supply and demand verses an actual market valuation. If things were locked into this issue then I’d 100% agree with you but the market will equalize at some point and a half ton will be worth what it’s worth again. Long term overall a 3/4 ton will hold it’s value well above what a 1/2 ton will hold.

It might roll downhill at 30mph but he isn’t cruising 75 with that load.


I suspect there might be a wee bit of embellishments about here

I completely agree the market is absolutely nuts right now and nothing can be judged from it at all.

I just don't see the big difference in resale value percentage wise at all and never did. The 2 used 3/4 ton diesels I purchased were both 50% or less than original sticker price and were in great shape. Hell, the duramax wasn't even broke in yet and was under 50% of the sticker which was in the glove box when I bought it.

Heck, in 2018 before all this mess started I bought my new 1500 silverado z71 for only a couple thousand more than what they were selling the same trucks 2 years old for that had 30k miles on them.
That is why I think the 1/2 ton resale market percentage wise is on par with the big truck.

Maybe so, I’ve lost my butt on the last 4 half tons I bought attempting to save money on so I gave up. I thought I could save money by buying something cheaper to run around the place in and everyone was a looser so we strictly go with 3/4 ton diesels or bigger now. It’s possible if your in a larger metro area the half tons may work better for resale but not around here.

That may be it I guess.
No doubt the 3/4 tons are built to take way, way more abuse and heavy lifting.

I know the 99 F250 was a damn good truck and I've already made it know to my old neighbor if he decides to sell it I get first dibs on it! lol The only thing I did not enjoy about that truck was the ride once you left the blacktop onto a ranch road. Holy crap! Even with some steel I left in the back for a little weight it would still make you piss blood for a month after driving in rough country. lmao

LOL, I have my dads 99 F250 with 28,000 miles on it and I’d agree they it ride like turd soup. I drive it down the road every few months to keep it going and I’d say it rides rougher than my 5500’s without hesitation.

On Kelly blue book. A 2019 ram 1500 with 150000 miles on it gas brings about $2900 less than the same truck with the diesel. But the diesel costs $2200 more. So you are only getting $700 more for the diesel. So to me the argument of buying the diesel to get more trade in does not really make much sense especially with the cost of diesel and the extra DEF and oil and filter changes.

This. ^^^^^^^^

I must have missed the argument on here about the resale on the little diesels being that much better than the ecoboost or the other 1/2 ton gas engines because I didn't see that as being one of the factors.

I think that people are buying them so that they have a half ton that will pull better and get better mpgs. I know I don't mind being able to fill up 25 gallons and going on a trip and not having to stop for fuel for at least 650 miles and if you keep it at around 80 mine will easily go 700 miles on that tank of fuel.

The 3.0 duramax holds .5 quart less oil than the 5.3L gas.
If you do it yourself it actually cost less to change the oil in the 3.0 than the 5.3. Look up the oil change kits for both engines and you will see it is less for the little diesel than the 5.3 gas.

But damn they are good trucks. I loved mine for sure and it was an absolute workhorse. I especially liked that it didn't matter if it was 50 degrees and I was running down the highway or if it was 100 and I had a gooseneck loaded down with hay in the field, IT ALWAYS ran the same temp.

Drove the Ram 3.0 diesel.

Liked it better than I wanted to, the Laramie was nicely appointed and I dare say a touch nicer than my 21’ Lariat.

As expected, it didn’t have the raw power of the 6.7 power stroke but had plenty of pep. Ride was 100x better than the diesel.

Will drive the AT4 next to compare then make a decision on whether to trade or stay in the super duty for another year or two

hahaha
Yeah, that 6.7 is flat out NASTY! 475 HP & almost 1100 lbs of torque.
I cannot see any reason to alter one in any way. What need would there be?
My cousin said he is getting over 20 mpg with his brand new one. Incredible!

I had a 02’ 7.3 liter that was chipped up….it had something like 350 hp and 650 ft. Lbs of torque….at the time it was a fairly stout truck. This truck blows that one out of the water. This one and my 17’ super duty are the only two trucks I’ve owned that I’m perfectly happy with in stock form performance wise. I remember those trucks required a 6” lift to run 35’s too….glad those days are over.

If I do trade out I’m gonna have to add leveling kit, wheels/tires ( I think the AT/4 comes with these items) and front end replacement because bump gates and unprotected front ends don’t mix. I’m the end I might decide it’s too much hassle and keep this truck for another year or two.


Best mileage I’ve got was 22 mpg doing 80 in July headed to Louisiana. But I normally see 18-20mpg on the highway. If I drive it right 20-21 mpg is realistic with 35” tires, level kit and replacement bumpers.