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I’ll tell you what’s sad, when these asshats put more value in an animal than they do a human life. You get fines and more jail time for killing wildlife than people do for killing each other. hammer

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I wished it was illegal to bait deer period.

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Originally Posted by Ol Thumper
I’ll tell you what’s sad, when these asshats put more value in an animal than they do a human life. You get fines and more jail time for killing wildlife than people do for killing each other. hammer


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Originally Posted by Timn
I wished it was illegal to bait deer period.

Just what do you call bait?
Is it just corn or apples. What about winter planted fields to hunt over, that is bait. I know it is way more effective than corn. I guess you would get rid of protein feeders, mineral licks and also cotton seed.

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Originally Posted by Ol Thumper
I’ll tell you what’s sad, when these asshats put more value in an animal than they do a human life. You get fines and more jail time for killing wildlife than people do for killing each other. hammer


Yes Sir. I agree


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Originally Posted by Timn
I wished it was illegal to bait deer period.


I wish it was illegal to hunt however you do it .

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Originally Posted by diablodog
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I wished it was illegal to bait deer period.


I wish it was illegal to hunt however you do it .

Your on a hunting forum?..
Should go back to where you came from. No one on here is looking for a fight.

Re: Don't Mess With The State of Wyoming or the Feds [Re: angus1956] #8592679 05/06/22 07:49 PM
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Who are you talking to ? The guy who seemed to think it was up to him to decide how people hunt , bait or not . Or me for pointing out that people can hunt how they choose ? My ranch is all dead from the drought and I am running protein and corn to keep my deer healthy . I have to have bait feeders to do that .

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The point is they broke Wyoming laws and should get the book thrown at them.
Residents support hefty penalties for game violations up here.

Baiting is legal in Texas and it is not in Wyoming.
Come up here an hunt over bait and you'll get in trouble.

Baiting is scattering anything on the ground for the attraction of deer, food plots are not considered baiting in Wyoming. Handicapped hunters may hunt over bait though with a permit.

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Re: Don't Mess With The State of Wyoming or the Feds [Re: angus1956] #8594226 05/09/22 11:58 AM
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How are these types of fines paid, lump sum, payment plan?

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Let’s talk about corner jumping!

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Originally Posted by ducknbass
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Let’s talk about corner jumping!


Jump high !

Lots of folks do it and respect the private land. Ranch we work for has some public sections adjacent, we let the GW know no issues with corner crossing from us.
Trespass and you'll get escorted off the property though.

Folks need to understand how the west was settled and how these sections came to be landlocked.
Ones that are totally landlocked maybe should not be required to allow access but any that touch public roads and corner others that do should have access, imo.
For some landowners it is greed to lock out folks, others it is about trespassing issues on the private. For a few folks , give an inch and you what happens.
Outfitting on landlocked public sections needs to be addressed I think, no public access - no outfitting.

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Originally Posted by Wytex
Originally Posted by ducknbass
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Let’s talk about corner jumping!


Jump high !

Lots of folks do it and respect the private land. Ranch we work for has some public sections adjacent, we let the GW know no issues with corner crossing from us.
Trespass and you'll get escorted off the property though.

Folks need to understand how the west was settled and how these sections came to be landlocked.
Ones that are totally landlocked maybe should not be required to allow access but any that touch public roads and corner others that do should have access, imo.
For some landowners it is greed to lock out folks, others it is about trespassing issues on the private. For a few folks , give an inch and you what happens.
Outfitting on landlocked public sections needs to be addressed I think, no public access - no outfitting.


I just read there dropping the charges on 3 of the defendents for a possible 2020 corner crossing event.
This could open up over 8 million + land locked acres.
I'm in up

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Many acres are landlocked that have no corners to cross over from so 8 million is a stretch.
All the ones with some form of public access at 1 corner at least will be more accessible for now .

Hoping our legislature doesn't step in on behalf of landowners and get this basically changed with new laws. It will come up, and we need hunters in Wyoming to let their legislators know we want responsible access. Corner crossing can be done responsibly without damage to private lands.

Oddly, that DA asked for the charges to be dropped. Her grandstanding in court did not pay off so she now wants to save taxpayers money on another trial.

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Got the 8 million number from corner crossing article. Might have been a stretch from some reporter.

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Originally Posted by angus1956
Got the 8 million number from corner crossing article. Might have been a stretch from some reporter.


Yes sir, I've seen and read those articles too.
Sorry angus, not meant to be a jab at your comment just some clarity. 8 million is right about the acreage but not all in are in areas that access could be reasonable through private lands or corner crossing.

There are a ton of small scattered parcels around the state that are smack dab in the middle of some ranches. For me, those parcels are different than ones with corner access to public roads etc.

Way back, the state claimed every certain section for state school sections, they are managed for money for our schools, so they say. Some of those are in the middle of private lands that have no access for miles.
I just don't think landowners should have to give access through their ranch for those types of inholdings.
Sections that corner public roads, corner crossing should not be an issue if folks cross only at the corners.

Folks hear 8 million acres and wonder how and why that happens. The BLM, I think, has more landlocked big parcels than the USFS in Wyoming. Not sure how the BLM came to designate their lands, well how the gov't designated their lands. Out here water is key so I'm thinking water sources were key to some set asides.

There are some large BLM inholdings that I think should have some sort of access or limits to the lease on what they can do - outfitting. Grazing leases on public lands could limit outfitting activities for lease holder unless they give public access, imo.

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Originally Posted by Wytex
Originally Posted by ducknbass
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Let’s talk about corner jumping!


Jump high !

Lots of folks do it and respect the private land. Ranch we work for has some public sections adjacent, we let the GW know no issues with corner crossing from us.
Trespass and you'll get escorted off the property though.

Folks need to understand how the west was settled and how these sections came to be landlocked.
Ones that are totally landlocked maybe should not be required to allow access but any that touch public roads and corner others that do should have access, imo.
For some landowners it is greed to lock out folks, others it is about trespassing issues on the private. For a few folks , give an inch and you what happens.
Outfitting on landlocked public sections needs to be addressed I think, no public access - no outfitting.




I see both sides of the argument. If that space isn’t trespassing then sending a bullet over the fence isn’t either.

I think I’d put a ladder up to protect my fences on the corners, but I’m sure some have and just got tired of all the other issues. We as hunters are our own worst enemy sometimes


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I'm pretty sure sending a bullet over the fence is addressed by law, corner hopping is not. Shooting directly over the corner would be an interesting issue though.
I think the unlawful inclosures act prohibits fences that keep folks out of public lands. Don't know if that has been challenged in court though in instances like this case, fences for livestock are permitted.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title43/chapter25&edition=prelim#:~:text=No%20person%2C%20by%20force%2C%20threats,tract%20of%20public%20land%20subject

I agree with the ladder, if you know folks are going to do it a ladder might be a good idea unless you have smart cattle.

I certainly see both sides. I just can't fathom taking private property rights for public access. Crossing public land at corners though should be doable if at least one section has public access from a road.
Enforcement of trespassing on private will need to be addressed though, more law enforcement.
Many, many of these sections are parts of grazing pastures for ranchers, they are not fenced off separately. Folks just tend to wander around on private and say I though there would be a fence. Now with OnX they have little argument, but it still happens.

Large swaths of public lands should have access though, some sort of paid easement for the bordering landowner should take care of that access point. Small isolated tracts, I'm not sold on forced public access.

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Ran into this antelope hunting south of Rawlins a few years back. Without a GPS with Mapping you were screwed. There were sections intertwined everywhere railroad land, school land, city land, private land, power company land, BLM land etc. We killed excellent goats and stayed on BLM stuff.

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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by Wytex
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Let’s talk about corner jumping!


Jump high !

Lots of folks do it and respect the private land. Ranch we work for has some public sections adjacent, we let the GW know no issues with corner crossing from us.
Trespass and you'll get escorted off the property though.

Folks need to understand how the west was settled and how these sections came to be landlocked.
Ones that are totally landlocked maybe should not be required to allow access but any that touch public roads and corner others that do should have access, imo.
For some landowners it is greed to lock out folks, others it is about trespassing issues on the private. For a few folks , give an inch and you what happens.
Outfitting on landlocked public sections needs to be addressed I think, no public access - no outfitting.




I see both sides of the argument. If that space isn’t trespassing then sending a bullet over the fence isn’t either.

I think I’d put a ladder up to protect my fences on the corners, but I’m sure some have and just got tired of all the other issues. We as hunters are our own worst enemy sometimes



Blm could buy a 5 foot wide, 2 1/2 foot from either side of center and move on our way.

Now mules etc would make that a mud hole in certain seasons but it would be nice. Tearing up fence is problem. Ladder would be great.

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Excuse my ignorance on the matter but sounds like corner crossing literally means hopping a private fence in a very narrow area to reach public land. A suggestion of ladder system etc to address messing up fences seems like a popular solution. Just for debate purposes, what liability does a WY landowner hold should they provide these ladders? Person with a gun crossing over a ladder and the worse happens? LO liability for providing the ladder? Does allowing corner crossing thus basically endorsing the practice as a LO open up liability if anything happens in the small section, ladder or no ladder? Again just asking. Interesting topic.

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https://www.themeateater.com/conser...epens-with-new-charges-and-civil-lawsuit

There is an article talking about the case in which spurred me to bring up the topic

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