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Re: Gas Vs Diesel [Re: don k] #8558213 03/17/22 12:32 PM
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Sticking with regular unleaded.


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Re: Gas Vs Diesel [Re: don k] #8558240 03/17/22 12:52 PM
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Something to consider, with a GMC the 3.0 diesel option in the half ton is only $995 extra.

Power train warranty with gas is 5 year, 60,000 miles.

With diesel it’s 5 year, 100,000.

Cost difference is not that big.

I have a friend that has driven one for a year now and the MPG numbers blow a gas engine away, not even close driving normal or pulling a boat.

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My reason for gas is maintenance. I'm not interested in 16 gallon oil changes. I don't tow a lot. And when I do, it's typically 6000 lbs and less. Maintenance costs on gas are typically lower than diesel. If I towed heavily, or hauled heavily, I'd choose diesel even with the higher maintenance costs. Since I don't haul often, its a gasser. Best gas mileage of any truck I've ever owned.


That is ridiculous not even my semi truck holds 16 gallons. The thread is about half ton diesels which are designed for economy not towing capacity and I changed the oil in mine earlier this week and it holds seven quarts. The filter cost $9. People are not buying these half ton diesels for towing or hauling they are buying them because they get 30 mpg.

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Originally Posted by don k

I believe excluding trade in value makes a lot of sense. Not everyone treats vehicles the same. Engine, interior or exterior. I have a 2018 Dodge Ram. It has a little less than 40K miles on it and has always been garaged. Still looks like new as opposed to one the same year that has had the crap beat out of it and never even been in the shade.


What does anything that you wrote have to do with your first sentence? You have a four year old ram with 40k miles that you keep nice. What does that have to do with excluding trade values when considering what to purchase? Your ram would be worth a heck of a lot more with a Cummins than the hemi. In fact I would say the value difference today is probably more than it was between the two when they were bought new.

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Originally Posted by redchevy
If you are a run it till it don’t run no more then worry about it person I’d stay away from the diesels. If you understand how the emissions systems etc work are good with maintenance etc I think they can be a good choice.

I covered 450 miles for work in a ram diesel half ton doing 85-90 for good bits and still got over 25 mpg on the tank.

I’m working on a tank of only commuting so far back and forth to work and the liometer is on 31 mpg probably 29.5 in real life. Towing our old 20 foot bay boat it would do 18-20 mpg. Low profile loads on the flatbed are about the same.

Some folks pay 10,000 extra for leather seats and then another 5k for wheels and tires. When I bought my ecodiesel it was a 2-3k option over the hemi. It didn’t take me long at all to break even. Ive got over 800 miles on a 26 gallon tank, how many tanks does that take in a tundra/hemi etc.

Exactly right!
In the Tundra you would have stopped and filled up 2 more times in that 800 miles! lmao

I think it all depends on what you are doing with your truck, how many miles you drive, how much you pull or don't pull, how far you pull, etc.

I have an old duramax 3/4 ton for the heavy work and went with the baby duramax back in December when I traded off my 2018 5.3l Z71. That 2018 was a good truck and would average 19-20 every day driving. My 3.0 has 6k miles on it now and is averaging 25-26 every day driving (same driving as the 2018) so the fuel ecomony is basically a was from the gas to the diesel when doing the math. What it does do is pull way, way better than the 5.3 gas. In fact, I hooked up the 16' lowboy last night and loaded the side by side on it to bring in to New Braunfels for maintenance this morning. I tripped it when I left my gate and it was just under 40 miles to the place and after I unloaded it I looked and it was sitting on 17.8 mpg for the trip. The computer is off and it easily got 18.5, probably 19 pulling this morning. My 2018 5.3 would have gotten 12-13 pulling the same load. The little 3.0 has great torque and combined with the 10 speed tranny it pulls great with very little downshifting and is very smooth.

The bottom line is buy what works for you. Are Tundras good? Hell yes they are good but I'm not driving a 4x4 half ton that gets horrible mpgs in this day and age when the other manufacturers are all getting 25% or more better fuel ecomony.


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Re: Gas Vs Diesel [Re: GusWayne] #8558349 03/17/22 02:59 PM
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Don's right -- I got out of my diesel because I was about to hit some major maintenance items and I had just gotten out of my warranty period.

Procraft is wrong -- I'd have no problem getting out of my hellcat engine peep



It aint me its them, but if you want to scream terrible resale...any Dodge gasser...

Don't get mad, like I said, it aint me

How long since you checked? Buddy just traded in a 2013 Ram 1/2 ton 5.7 gas 130,000 miles and they gave him 15,000 for it.


I am sorry sir, I don't mean to be rude

But had that of been a diesel or a yota and you would have been blown away even more...

Buy what y'all want


My GMC truck with similar stats as that Dodge is worth at least $7k more. Procraft is right...Dodge has the worst resale value of any truck.

Re: Gas Vs Diesel [Re: don k] #8558350 03/17/22 03:01 PM
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Bought a Dodge 2500, 4dr, 4wd, 6.4 new in 2017. In December of last year was rear ended along with three others by a truck that didn't see traffic stopped. Insurance totaled my truck, gave me a little over $300 less than i paid for it.
Now in a Ranger getting 24 to 25mpg, 7 year 100,000 mile warranty. Have a 97 F350, reg cab, flat bed with 460 and 5 speed when i need it.

Re: Gas Vs Diesel [Re: don k] #8558390 03/17/22 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DocHorton


My GMC truck with similar stats as that Dodge is worth at least $7k more. Procraft is right...Dodge has the worst resale value of any truck.


Always love these truck threads. I have a 2020 Ram Ecodiesel 1/2T, averaged 23.5mpg over the life of the truck so far with 33922 on the odomoeter. I can get within $5k what I paid for it new as a trade in right now, easily, from multiple places. It runs circles around any 1/2T truck I've ever owned, and that includes multiples of each make, including Tundras. My last Tundra was in the shop for a cold start valve replacement at 40K, nav and entertainment system went out twice before 70k. They're hardly bulletproof.

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I like the truck threads also. I get a lot of useful info, and it doesn’t come from a salesman. Still leaning toward a new Tundra, but have been sniffing around a bit on the Ford half ton Powerboost hybrid.


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Re: Gas Vs Diesel [Re: Sewer rat] #8558456 03/17/22 05:44 PM
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My reason for gas is maintenance. I'm not interested in 16 gallon oil changes. I don't tow a lot. And when I do, it's typically 6000 lbs and less. Maintenance costs on gas are typically lower than diesel. If I towed heavily, or hauled heavily, I'd choose diesel even with the higher maintenance costs. Since I don't haul often, its a gasser. Best gas mileage of any truck I've ever owned.


That is ridiculous not even my semi truck holds 16 gallons. The thread is about half ton diesels which are designed for economy not towing capacity and I changed the oil in mine earlier this week and it holds seven quarts. The filter cost $9. People are not buying these half ton diesels for towing or hauling they are buying them because they get 30 mpg.

I know they don't take 16 gallons. I was exaggerating to make a point. The last Diesel I changed was 16 qt. I'll admit, I did not know these new half ton diesels only took 7 quarts.

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For comparison...my brother had a 2017 GMC Denali with 80k miles stolen 3 months ago, so it was 5+ years old. He got paid from insurance $48k and he paid $58k new and it was 3 years older with more than double the miles. You think that Dodge will be worth within $10k of what you paid in another 3 years and 47k miles? Not a chance.

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Originally Posted by DocHorton
For comparison...my brother had a 2017 GMC Denali with 80k miles stolen 3 months ago, so it was 5+ years old. He got paid from insurance $48k and he paid $58k new and it was 3 years older with more than double the miles. You think that Dodge will be worth within $10k of what you paid in another 3 years and 47k miles? Not a chance.


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Diesel smells better.


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Re: Gas Vs Diesel [Re: don k] #8558987 03/18/22 06:12 AM
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I have a slight used never off road or off pavement 4x4, driven by a 85 year old Sunday school teacher.

It’s a 2015 f250 6.7 crew cab lariat blk and Brn. 190k miles… all highway to church,

For 45k I’ll toss in a roll of 100mph duct tape.

Take that for Lack of depreciation


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
I have a slight used never off road or off pavement 4x4, driven by a 85 year old Sunday school teacher.

It’s a 2015 f250 6.7 crew cab lariat blk and Brn. 190k miles… all highway to church,

For 45k I’ll toss in a roll of 100mph duct tape.

Take that for Lack of depreciation


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Maintenance and repair is a lot higher on a diesel anything. Put every dime saved in MPG into some sort of fund for later use. Sooner or later you'll get a big bill or lots of smaller ones along the way.


Pass the gravy.


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Resale on 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are stupid at this point. I just sold several 2018’s out of our fleet, all F 350’s XLT trim, all over 200,000 miles, all had pipe dope, mud and grease smeared in the interior, a few dents, worked in the oilfield since new, rode hard and put up wet. All but one was 100 percent reliable on mechanical function, and I got $36k for each of those. I had another one that ingested water from a high creek, and had a bad engine, $27k bought that little gem. When it was all said and done, it cost us $4250.00 year for each of those units, not too bad.

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Re: Gas Vs Diesel [Re: LonestarCobra] #8559143 03/18/22 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LonestarCobra
Resale on 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are stupid at this point. I just sold several 2018’s out of our fleet, all F 350’s XLT trim, all over 200,000 miles, all had pipe dope, mud and grease smeared in the interior, a few dents, worked in the oilfield since new, rode hard and put up wet. All but one was 100 percent reliable on mechanical function, and I got $36k for each of those. I had another one that ingested water from a high creek, and had a bad engine, $27k bought that little gem. When it was all said and done, it cost us $4250.00 year for each of those units, not too bad.


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
I have a slight used never off road or off pavement 4x4, driven by a 85 year old Sunday school teacher.

It’s a 2015 f250 6.7 crew cab lariat blk and Brn. 190k miles… all highway to church,

For 45k I’ll toss in a roll of 100mph duct tape.

Take that for Lack of depreciation

roflmao

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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by LonestarCobra
Resale on 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are stupid at this point. I just sold several 2018’s out of our fleet, all F 350’s XLT trim, all over 200,000 miles, all had pipe dope, mud and grease smeared in the interior, a few dents, worked in the oilfield since new, rode hard and put up wet. All but one was 100 percent reliable on mechanical function, and I got $36k for each of those. I had another one that ingested water from a high creek, and had a bad engine, $27k bought that little gem. When it was all said and done, it cost us $4250.00 year for each of those units, not too bad.


Damn I under valued mine above


If you can get that for yours and don't take it...that's the day two fools met.

I guess I need to sell mine, this is stupid prices.


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Originally Posted by Judd
I guess I need to sell mine, this is stupid prices.

My 2011 has 105k miles. Great condition. I'd like to sell for the money, but why? I still want a truck yet I only need one a couple times a year at this point. So, I'd sell high and then have to buy high. And it would certainly be a newer, fancier model... more money. For something of little need.

I'm going to hold.


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Sell high, buy high. Why?
I understand replacing work trucks, but an occasional hauler is always worth more in the driveway than in the wallet.



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I paid $62k for my 2015 2500 with a duramax when it was new. Traded it in (could have gotten even more in a private sale) for $53k last May and didn’t pay above sticker for my new truck.

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I would like to see the trade in values of a 1/2 ton diesel with 100k miles.

3/4 and 1 ton diesels are excellent, which is why I still drive one.


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