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Hunting over bait #8531212 02/14/22 03:31 PM
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I’ve deer hunted for over 50 years. In SC, not Texas, but have enjoyed my Texas hunting and the great people I met there. And I’m not trying to start a war, but just wondered if others feel the way I do. I see the great extent many go to “enhance” their deer hunting. Elaborate feeders, nutritional supplements, high fencing, etc. Our state just legalized deer baiting a few years ago, so now it’s become pretty common. And yes, I’ve done it too. It certainly is effective. But I wonder if maybe we have gone too far and are forgetting that hunting the “old fashion way” without baiting deer really requires more skill and is more challenging. And perhaps our obsession with scoring deer has gone too far. Shooting a 200 class deer that has grown large due to high protein supplements in a high fence versus killing a nice 8 point after scouting and figuring out his patterns are two different ways of hunting. I prefer the latter. And I’m not condemning all the guys who spends tons of money baiting deer and growing them, but I think I get pleasure out of hunting the old fashion way. I wish baiting deer was never legalized here in SC.

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Just the evolution or devolution of hunting I suppose depending on the prism you view it through.

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There are so many directions I could go with responding to your post - most you would certainly not like...But the easiest is - if you don't like it - don't do it.

It's just that easy...

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Nothing stopping you from hunting the old fashioned way….


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Originally Posted by DSpur72
There are so many directions I could go with responding to your post - most you would certainly not like...But the easiest is - if you don't like it - don't do it.

It's just that easy...


I agree.. no need to divide this lifestyle like the naysayers. Keep it legal and the style you prefer and stop worrying about everyone else

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“old fashion way”

Then you should be baiting and running them off cliffs.

Thats the beauty of hunting...to each there own. If wild game food is your main goal then kill them anyway within the law. If "sport" is the goal then take that as deep and challenging as you want. I personally cut down bois dark trees and made my own self bows and crafted wooden arrows back when I was younger. Deer, hog, elk, caribou and various small game all fell with those tools. I then went to "traditional" bows....wood wrapped in glass. Today I shoot a compound. I've seen hunting from all perspectives. To me its about just being honest with yourself as to what your doing. I've truly "hunted" in N.E. Tx with self bows over trail/rubs....and I sit in tripods over corn feeders with my compound today in west Tx. And in sept. I'll chase elk for weeks with my compound deep in the back country of the Rockies.

All the arguments and disagreements over weapons/tactics are just a big pile of horse$hit. You should hunt in your own world with your weapon and tactics and not let how someone on the other side of the country is doing it bother you. Poachers, pricks not picking up their trash, keeping public lands open, etc....those are where our concerns should be.

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Rephrasing what the others have said--------That's the good thing about America -------- pick the way you like and do it that way ------ the gov does not dictate to you how to hunt.

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This is the correct answer up
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“old fashion way”

Then you should be baiting and running them off cliffs.

Thats the beauty of hunting...to each there own. If wild game food is your main goal then kill them anyway within the law. If "sport" is the goal then take that as deep and challenging as you want. I personally cut down bois dark trees and made my own self bows and crafted wooden arrows back when I was younger. Deer, hog, elk, caribou and various small game all fell with those tools. I then went to "traditional" bows....wood wrapped in glass. Today I shoot a compound. I've seen hunting from all perspectives. To me its about just being honest with yourself as to what your doing. I've truly "hunted" in N.E. Tx with self bows over trail/rubs....and I sit in tripods over corn feeders with my compound today in west Tx. And in sept. I'll chase elk for weeks with my compound deep in the back country of the Rockies.

All the arguments and disagreements over weapons/tactics are just a big pile of horse$hit. You should hunt in your own world with your weapon and tactics and not let how someone on the other side of the country is doing it bother you. Poachers, pricks not picking up their trash, keeping public lands open, etc....those are where our concerns should be.


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Hunting the old fashioned way involves having lots of land to hunt. If you have lots of land to hunt, get after your old fashioned hunting. If you only have 100 acres or so, old fashioned hunting will only take you a couple of hours and that is if you are very thorough. The price of leasing land determines how you hunt to some extent.


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I agree completely, and not trying to stir things up. My only reluctance and concern is that by allowing baiting, it affects me. Understand, unlike Texas, our hunting here is on much smaller tracts. There are no giant ranches or leases. My 300 acre property is pretty big as is my 1500 acre lease. But to a deer, that’s small. And when neighbors are spending tons of dollars on corn and commercial feed, it certainly affects natural deer movement. That’s my biggest reason that I wish baiting wasn’t legal. Otherwise, I’d have no problem with it.
Baiting doves or turkeys is illegal here. Why not deer? What’s the difference?

And I agree with DSpur, I don’t do it and can accept that my buddies do. It’s legal therefore I don’t have a problem with those that do. I just wish it weren’t legal. That’s just my opinion.

But sitting over a feeder or even over a food plot is not the kind of hunting I enjoy. That’s my choice. Guys that do that (and many of my friends do) are free to choose. But as I grow older, and after killing many deer, I’d rather hunt without these aids. That’s all I’m saying, certainly not condemning guys that hunt differently than me. We’re all hunters.

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When I was a kid we used to be able to spot and stalk on 10,000 acres. Then people started leasing. No more spot and stalk. Feeders came in and I mean the old garbage cans with a mop stick feeders. Then came the spin feeders with timers. It was mostly about getting a hunter on a deer because the time they had to hunt was short. "Real hunting went away after the depression" my grandfather said. "People were hungry and game was scarce. Then people just killed to brag not because they were hungry. Hunting was a rich mans sport for a time. Poor people couldn't afford to hunt so they called it poaching."
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I always get a kick out of out of these questions. I work with alot of rural out of state guys who hunt and they have brought up Texas hunting and feeders/deer corn and how it's cheating. Where I hunt planted fields bring in WAY more deer in than feeders. I had 23 deer last night in a 10 acre oat field, they all walked past a feeder that had went off before they came out. Plenty of corn under it but they didn't care. They wanted the green stuff. Most out of state guys that hunt farmland/crop fields think nothing of it but act as if putting a feeder out will have deer stampeding into your spot.

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Range management and hunting travel corridors might be your answer. I doubt your state will change the law back, but you can try...


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Originally Posted by Longhunter
Range management and hunting travel corridors might be your answer. I doubt your state will change the law back, but you can try...

That’s true. There’s no putting the genie back in the bottle. Maybe if Wildlife Departments discover that central feeders promote the spread of disease (and that may be true) I don’t see the laws being changed back.

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Originally Posted by Harkriscar
I’ve deer hunted for over 50 years. In SC, not Texas, but have enjoyed my Texas hunting and the great people I met there. And I’m not trying to start a war, but just wondered if others feel the way I do. I see the great extent many go to “enhance” their deer hunting. Elaborate feeders, nutritional supplements, high fencing, etc. Our state just legalized deer baiting a few years ago, so now it’s become pretty common. And yes, I’ve done it too. It certainly is effective. But I wonder if maybe we have gone too far and are forgetting that hunting the “old fashion way” without baiting deer really requires more skill and is more challenging. And perhaps our obsession with scoring deer has gone too far. Shooting a 200 class deer that has grown large due to high protein supplements in a high fence versus killing a nice 8 point after scouting and figuring out his patterns are two different ways of hunting. I prefer the latter. And I’m not condemning all the guys who spends tons of money baiting deer and growing them, but I think I get pleasure out of hunting the old fashion way. I wish baiting deer was never legalized here in SC.



I’m with you every farmer should have to HF deer out of their ag fields; winter wheat, alfalfa, corn, soybeans etc. it’s complete BS and not fair as those legumes and grains greatly inflate carrying capacity and creates an unfair hunting advantage


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My understanding as baiting rules for dove hunting is concerned, is that any normal agricultural practice is legal. But just throwing wheat on the ground to attract birds is not. That seems pretty reasonable and I believe would be a better law for deer as well. But that’s just my opinion. Obviously, most states now allow baiting for deer. Just wondering, can you bait other game in Texas, like turkeys?

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By the way, high fencing is illegal in SC. That’s another touchy subject.

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It’s my observation that the people that complain about baiting and hunting “the old fashioned way” have usually only hunted whitetail deer, usually only in one area of one state, and typically only use a scoped modern centerfire rifle. Baiting is wrong, but it’s ok to shoot them from 300 yards out with a .270 and a 4x12 scope down a right of way that was made with a bulldozer……

Your argument is silly and is meant to be divisive. If you don’t want to bait, you don’t have to. No law stating you have to. End of story.



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Originally Posted by Harkriscar
By the way, high fencing is illegal in SC. That’s another touchy subject.


That’s dumb, how do you keep them out of baited ag fields?

You have any ag by you?


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Originally Posted by Harkriscar
My understanding as baiting rules for dove hunting is concerned, is that any normal agricultural practice is legal. But just throwing wheat on the ground to attract birds is not. That seems pretty reasonable and I believe would be a better law for deer as well. But that’s just my opinion. Obviously, most states now allow baiting for deer. Just wondering, can you bait other game in Texas, like turkeys?


For turkeys most just plant milo field and shoot them with a 22-250, that way you can fill all 5 tags pretty easy.


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I do both, plant and feed. I was told big deer don't go to feeders anyway.

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Originally Posted by txtrophy85


Your argument is silly and is meant to be divisive. ...... End of story.



It's my observation that people who engage others, who are trying to have a dialogue, like this are silly and actually divisive. The OP's thoughts and questions are not an argument, but a discussion, and it is impossible for you to know his intention unless a person states it.

To the point of the discussion, baiting on small properties does affect neighbors, but at some point as the old sayin goes "if ya cain't beat 'em, join 'em."


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The real bait is starting this thread, and I ain't taking it.


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Your argument is silly and is meant to be divisive. ...... End of story.



It's my observation that people who engage others, who are trying to have a dialogue, like this are silly and actually divisive. The OP's thoughts and questions are not an argument, but a discussion, and it is impossible for you to know his intention unless a person states it.

To the point of the discussion, baiting on small properties does affect neighbors, but at some point as the old sayin goes "if ya cain't beat 'em, join 'em."



If you don't think his post was not meant to be divisive ( and therefore silly ) then maybe, ya'll should get on a no-baiting lease together


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I think part of the answer to why we put out feeders in Texas is that are not that great of a "food" agricultural state- sure we grow sorghum and some corn, but mainly cotton and hay. Southeastern states are more food agricultural states- corn, soybeans, wheat. About 20 or more years ago I started taking annual trips with my dad to visit family in eastern North Carolina. The farm my dad was raised on is still in the family and I got permission to hunt there when we would go visit. One year I noted that baiting became legal so one year I took a bucket feeder with me to hang from a tree- the husband of one of my cousins whose dad actually inherited the farm when my grandfather passed away is a big farmer- leases land all over and farms where my dad was raised. I said something to him about hanging my feeder and needed to go buy a bag of corn- he laughed, pointed at a silo, and said go get all you want. I hung the feeder but within two days the black bears had torn it down. From that point on I just looked for trails entering the fields and hunted them. Best year I ever had was one fall right after a hurricane- had flattened a big part of a corn field and was covered with deer, and bears if I had purchased a tag.

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