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Re: The Short Action Caliber Heartache [Re: wp75169] #8524725 02/06/22 04:46 PM
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This is the same old song. People who only hunt vs people who also like to shoot.


Yep and it's never going to change.


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Originally Posted by wp75169
This is the same old song. People who only hunt vs people who also like to shoot.


Not very many people enjoy sitting behind a 30-06 for 50-100 rounds for personal entertainment. I sure all you manly [censored] do but I don’t.

I do appreciate the 30-06 and big bore magnums but they are hunting rifles in my opinion. Not high volume target rifles.



Likely the most valid and accurate point of this entire thread. Sums up my opinion exactly. I’ll hunt with anything that can do the job accurately.. But if I am going to shoot through 4-5 boxes at the range, for me, there are more enjoyable options.

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I’ve never shot 100 rounds of anything but 22 Lr in a sitting probably never will either. I put 20 rounds of 30-06 through a normal weight cz off a bench and thought it was a pleasant shoot.


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I have changed my mind about as many times as my wife choosing a place to eat last night. I have exhausted all of the ballistic comparison articles and forum threads on the subject. The main purpose will be whitetails and hogs out to 400 yards, and I don't really punch paper besides a few practice sessions before season. I don't reload but will in the future. I currently have a Kimber Hunter in 30-06 that packs quite a punch since it is so light, and a Rem 700 in 243 that is a little underwhelming in the senderos in South Texas. Looking for more of a happy medium of recoil/shootability and performance downrange. I have narrowed it down to the Bergara B14 Ridge in two different calibers - 6.5 Creedmoor and 7mm-08... Yes, I know the fangirls will want to post just the caliber in the comments, but I am really looking for the why behind your preferred caliber. Pictures of performance on game would be even better. Thanks for reading and any advice you can share!


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Re: The Short Action Caliber Heartache [Re: redchevy] #8524754 02/06/22 05:26 PM
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I’ve never shot 100 rounds of anything but 22 Lr in a sitting probably never will either. I put 20 rounds of 30-06 through a normal weight cz off a bench and thought it was a pleasant shoot.


Same here and that's when I'm plinking turtles or making a rabbit run, never was one to shoot just to shoot or plink. My MK V 300 Weatherby has seen less than 40 rounds through it and it's well over 30 years old. Bought 5 boxes of ammo for it and still have 3 boxes and some change. My 257 is over 10 years old and has seen less than a box.


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Well, apparently you like to hear yourself talk (write) but your lengthy dissertation is still incorrect on two points, (possibly more but I chose not to read your blather much beyond those).

1). If you’ll make the effort to research it you will find that the 6.5 Grendel has roughly twice the recoil of the .223….put a very effective brake on the Grendel and it might drop to approximately the same as the .223…not 1/2.

2). I never made any assessment whatsoever about those cartridges out of an AR.


You can't begin to know the joy I felt this morning to find you sitting on my porch.... what a delightful pearl you are:)

My 5yo woke me up at 4am and I couldn't get back to sleep so I need something to do... so gun porn it was. I am guilty of not being a minimalist, and I might have rambled a bit while sleepy. That said, I tend to use more words to provide details that others may find informative and also to reduce the chance of being misunderstood. While typing my dissertation, I contemplated putting a footnote about the Grendel's additional power (case capacity), but I thought it was unnecessary and assumed that a certain leeway would be permitted. I wanted to save a couple of words for later. The majority of the cartridges mentioned are based on .223 parent case, and the others are based on 220 Russian (ARC, Grendel and 7.62x39), and let's not forget the lonely 6.8 SPC. You are right, I made the presumption about your statement, "The Grendel and various forms of the 300 for an AR" meant you were some form of purest...got to keep them separated and everything has its designated place or some other form of silliness. I stand correct and apologize if I offended you.

I am a shooter.... I go to range when I have free time and take a couple of hours to shoot 50 rounds and then go home and reload. I don't like unnecessarily burning through barrels, and that is the price of speed. The micro-calibers make fantastic range toys, and their reduced powder capacity greatly increases the barrel life compared to their larger case cousins. I am not in Elk/Bear country, and I keep hoping for a reason to take one of my long-range rifles out for a hunt... it just isn't practical. I would love a hunting setup where 500-1000 yard shot were available.

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Re: The Short Action Caliber Heartache [Re: HWY_MAN] #8524802 02/06/22 06:22 PM
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This is the same old song. People who only hunt vs people who also like to shoot.


Yep and it's never going to change.


My biggest "hunting rifle" is the 7 Rem Mag. I gets a scope put on it, zero checked, steel hit 300 to 800 yards, only when it's time to go do 7 Rem Mag stuff. But that ain't coyotes, hogs, and whitetail. It's elk, mule deer, Oryx, Red Stag, Nilgai, Eland. Therefore it sits in the vault 9 months a year. The barrel is 10 years old, it has had 500 rounds down it.

The weekly "hunter" 7mm-08 A.I. 162 ELD-X. It goes where I go.

The monthly "shooter" .223 A.I.

No point in using the 7 Rem Mag for all the other jobs, that it is overkill for. More expensive bullet, burns more powder, eats up barrel life. The recoil is not even a factor, I enjoy shooting it.


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A bunch of them will work but its usually more Indian than arrow

I dropped a 190 pound whitetail in his tracks last year at 279 w a 22-250, just sayin


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Re: The Short Action Caliber Heartache [Re: HWY_MAN] #8524858 02/06/22 07:28 PM
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You're really slipping, you left out the little penis reference.


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Originally Posted by Judd
Guys...he bumped a year old thread. I'm guessing the OP has already purchased a rifle.

Dang it Judd, it's entertaining to see em get all wound up about it though. There's at least three different conversations in this thread, and they have almost nothing to do with what the OP brought up. Mind you the OP hasn't been heard from here since 02/22/21. I'm not sure if I'm impressed, or disappointed in the minimal amount of trash talk in 5 pages though. Talking smack has become my specialty here because those of you who know much more than myself usually provide the best answers to genuinely asked questions. Thanks for that by the way, I've learned a ton from this forum.
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Guys...he bumped a year old thread. I'm guessing the OP has already purchased a rifle.

Dang it Judd, it's entertaining to see em get all wound up about it though. There's at least three different conversations in this thread, and they have almost nothing to do with what the OP brought up. Mind you the OP hasn't been heard from here since 02/22/21. I'm not sure if I'm impressed, or disappointed in the minimal amount of trash talk in 5 pages though. Talking smack has become my specialty here because those of you who know much more than myself usually provide the best answers to genuinely asked questions. Thanks for that by the way, I've learned a ton from this forum.
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This is the same old song. People who only hunt vs people who also like to shoot.


Yep and it's never going to change.


My biggest "hunting rifle" is the 7 Rem Mag. I gets a scope put on it, zero checked, steel hit 300 to 800 yards, only when it's time to go do 7 Rem Mag stuff. But that ain't coyotes, hogs, and whitetail. It's elk, mule deer, Oryx, Red Stag, Nilgai, Eland. Therefore it sits in the vault 9 months a year. The barrel is 10 years old, it has had 500 rounds down it.

The weekly "hunter" 7mm-08 A.I. 162 ELD-X. It goes where I go.

The monthly "shooter" .223 A.I.

No point in using the 7 Rem Mag for all the other jobs, that it is overkill for. More expensive bullet, burns more powder, eats up barrel life. The recoil is not even a factor, I enjoy shooting it.


I’ve gone even milder for hunting on my property where shots are short. I’m using a suppressed bolt gun in 6.8 spc. 130s go 2550 fps. Worked well on deer this year. Only burning 28.2 grains of powder per shot. Cost effective.
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I have changed my mind about as many times as my wife choosing a place to eat last night. I have exhausted all of the ballistic comparison articles and forum threads on the subject. The main purpose will be whitetails and hogs out to 400 yards, and I don't really punch paper besides a few practice sessions before season. I don't reload but will in the future. I currently have a Kimber Hunter in 30-06 that packs quite a punch since it is so light, and a Rem 700 in 243 that is a little underwhelming in the senderos in South Texas. Looking for more of a happy medium of recoil/shootability and performance downrange. I have narrowed it down to the Bergara B14 Ridge in two different calibers - 6.5 Creedmoor and 7mm-08... Yes, I know the fangirls will want to post just the caliber in the comments, but I am really looking for the why behind your preferred caliber. Pictures of performance on game would be even better. Thanks for reading and any advice you can share!


This was with a 7mm08. all taken with one shot, she got the two javi's with one shot, went through the first one and hit the other in the ear. Only one took a step was the Bull and he didn't take many.

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My grandfather's 1903 .30-06 that my uncle made a stock for and my Model 700 LH don't bother me one bit. First time I've heard someone bitch on here about the recoil of a .30-06. 'Gave the '03 to my son. He doesn't whine about it either.

My uncle was a master carpenter though. bolt

Maybe y'all need to do like I tell everyone I'm teaching to shoot - hug that thing like you do a woman! Maybe some of y'all are just poor huggers.


I’m glad someone said it. If a 30-06 is too much recoil for whitetail and hogs to 400 yards, you might need to turn in your man card.


I agree, never felt the 30-06 handled properly was much in the recoil department. And I have shot thousands of 30-06 rounds factory and loaded by me. Must be the manbun Creedmoor types sniveling in public.


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It's 116 years old, so that makes it cool for yall. They suck to shoot, but yall keep doing it because it makes you macho. Next week should we have a push up contest and see who can run a mile the fastest?


Lol. The pussification of the American male in the last 30 years is something us old guys are not ever gonna get used to. Shooting a 30-06 does not make you macho. We won two world wars with the 30-06. It was the go to bolt gun. Us old guys grew up in a time if a 30-06 had too much recoil someone would give you some lipstick and a dress. Nowadays you have men wearing lipstick competing in women’s sports.

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Lol. The pussification of the American male in the last 30 years is something us old guys are not ever gonna get used to. Shooting a 30-06 does not make your macho. We won two world wars with the 30-06. It was the go to bolt gun. Us old guys grew up in a time if a 30-06 had too much recoil someone would give you some lipstick and a dress. Nowadays you have men wearing lipstick competing in women’s sports.


Smokey, that is about as perfect of post as I've ever seen on the internet

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Lol. The pussification of the American male in the last 30 years is something us old guys are not ever gonna get used to. Shooting a 30-06 does not make your macho. We won two world wars with the 30-06. It was the go to bolt gun. Us old guys grew up in a time if a 30-06 had too much recoil someone would give you some lipstick and a dress. Nowadays you have men wearing lipstick competing in women’s sports.


The WWII .30-06 ballistics is the 2021 .308 Win ballistics. 2021 .30-06 ballistics are quite a bit more powerful than the 40's version.

I will shoot anything, and have shot lots of .30-06 rifles, and shot them well. But I didn't have to like it.

Stepson's M-1 Garand is a kitten to shoot. We built a hand load with H-4895 and 168's.

I have a featherweight. 300 Win Mag I need to shoot today. 200 gr ELD-X and I'm not giving it a second thought. Probably will use H-1000.


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Originally Posted by Smokey Bear

Lol. The pussification of the American male in the last 30 years is something us old guys are not ever gonna get used to. Shooting a 30-06 does not make you macho. We won two world wars with the 30-06. It was the go to bolt gun. Us old guys grew up in a time if a 30-06 had too much recoil someone would give you some lipstick and a dress. Nowadays you have men wearing lipstick competing in women’s sports.


The funny thing about that is that it happened on your watch. As Mike Leach once said, you're either coaching it or allowing it to happen.


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Guys...he bumped a year old thread. I'm guessing the OP has already purchased a rifle.

Dang it Judd, it's entertaining to see em get all wound up about it though. There's at least three different conversations in this thread, and they have almost nothing to do with what the OP brought up. Mind you the OP hasn't been heard from here since 02/22/21. I'm not sure if I'm impressed, or disappointed in the minimal amount of trash talk in 5 pages though. Talking smack has become my specialty here because those of you who know much more than myself usually provide the best answers to genuinely asked questions. Thanks for that by the way, I've learned a ton from this forum.
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One more piece of advice, bring your "A" game Saturday.


I'll likely end up bringing my B or C game . I will be bringing my daughter though, so you're going down either way!
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I have both. I'd pick the Creed if I was shooting factory ammo. The 143 ELD-X will outperform any bullet you can get in factory 7-08 ammo.


Follow up question - what is your preferred factory ammo out of the 6.5 for whitetail and pigs? The two loads I have looked at is the 140 gr Accubond and 140 grain Federal Fusion for a slightly cheaper round.


Whichever and Whatever you can actually find to purchase.

I run everything from 120gr up to 143gr either hand loads or factory ammo.
120gr Nosler Ballistic Tip - Hand Loads
123gr Hornady SST - Hand Loads
129gr Hornady Interlock - American Whitetail factory ammo
130gr Berger VLDH - Hand Loads
140gr Nosler Ballistic Tip - Factory Ammo
140gr Hornady SST - Hand Loads
143gr Hornady ELD-X Factory Ammo

I also have some target bullets 130gr ELD and 142gr Sierra HPBT to load and shoot.

Hornady ammo seems to be the most consistent factory ammo for my rifle (Tikka). You'll have to try a few to see what your rifle likes the best.

I buy what I can when I find it at "reasonable" prices, regardless of brand and bullet weight. It will all kill TX game...

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