My typical round 7.62x39 (cheapest steel case non-fmj I can find) from an AR platform but we use different stuff too like Grendel, 308, 300bo. Shot placement is important on the first shot, but once they start running, placement is pretty much out the window for follow up shots on multiple targets.

The shot placement discussion makes me nuts. Only an idiot wouldn't understand that where the round impacts is important. But this is where the problem begins, isn't it? Over the past several years, I have guided hunts for several outfitters and a good many charities (military, church, etc.). Several hundred "hunters" over that period. Those numbers have included all kinds of folks from newbies to military. By and large, a huge percentage of folks can't place a round where it needs to be....many of them, not even close. I can't tell you how many times I have worked to get "hunters" within 40 yards and not a single hair touched on a single hog. That is frustrating. I remember a night with a large outfitter. He had 12 hunters out, together, at this point. Stupid, but I ain't runnin' the show. There was a good number of hogs across a fence, 50ish maybe. They are, give or take, around 50 yards out from the fence. Favorable wind. A gully in between us and the fence. I set back and watched. He managed to get this thundering herd down through the gulley and up to the fence without the hogs spooking. That's actually better than I thought it would go. They lined up along the fence, 12 of them. The firing commenced. Off the hogs go. 30 round mags emptying. Lead flying everywhere. Cease fire is called, guns on safe. Two hogs lay dead. This sort of shooting is way more the norm than most folks think. Shot placement can be discussed, but I am convinced it isn't on the radar for a high percentage of shooters. That comes from the experience of observing a large number of folks in the field over time.

On a positive note.... The best person I ever took out was a recently retired SEAL. This guy was amazing. It was for a university group that was raising money for a scholarship for their school at the university. His brother had won the auction for the hunt. I have taken a lot of military guys out and I hate to say, but I have generally been underwhelmed. This guy though... It wasn't just his shooting which was never miss. He definitely racked up body count. It was his ability to move through woods like no one else. Completely silent and fast! I will never forget that hunt.