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Re: Armed Agents in Texas School District Arrest Concerned Parents in Their Own Homes [Re: cbump] #8460287 11/27/21 08:19 PM
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[quote=Paluxy][quote=cbump]From the description, It Sounds like an isd police department who got warrants for these people’s arrest and went and arrested them. confused2


Some judge should be removed from office for signing that warrant
Why weren't they arrested at the meeting? PC 38.13, Hindering Proceedings by Disorderly Conduct, is a Class A Misdemeanor, and PC 42.07, Disrupting Meeting or Procession, is a Class B Misdemeanor. You can legally take them to jail right then if the elements are met.



I addressed that already.
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Disrupting a meeting...Oh, heaven forbid! This is Texas by God...not VA!



It’s been a crime for a long time. Sorry you didn’t know that. Guarantee you liberals have been arrested for It also.

Not saying it's not a crime per say..but to actually go to someone's home and arrest them is too much.



Where should they be arrested on warrants? And I’m 100% no one broke down their door. They probably knocked and took them to jail when they answered like police do every single day.

And to not arrest them at the meeting…. Typically there’s just a few officers working these meetings and can’t leave. So they make the person leave, finish working the meeting, write up the report later, and a warrant is issued. This isn’t a conspiracy. It’s how police work is done.

Ok...that is a way to do it but not the only way.


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Some of you obviously didn’t read the article and it’s ironic that you’ll puff your chest out and make wild claims of anyone coming for your kids needing to climb over a pile of brass first, but when parents who were denied access to the school board WHOSE PURPOSE IS TO ADMINISTER EDUCATION AS THE PARENTS SEE FIT and have ISD gestapo come to their house all of a sudden it’s “well don’t brake dat thur law an dey poleece won’t come fo ya”. Government doesn’t get to pick and choose who speaks and they can be as caustic as they want as decided by SCOTUS.

You think the left cares how disorderly they are? No, they don’t and that’s why they win.

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[quote=Jimbo1]Disrupting a meeting...Oh, heaven forbid! This is Texas by God...not VA!



It’s been a crime for a long time. Sorry you didn’t know that. Guarantee you liberals have been arrested for It also.
Not saying it's not a crime per say..but to actually go to someone's home and arrest them is too much.



Where should they be arrested on warrants? And I’m 100% no one broke down their door. They probably knocked and took them to jail when they answered like police do every single day.

And to not arrest them at the meeting…. Typically there’s just a few officers working these meetings and can’t leave. So they make the person leave, finish working the meeting, write up the report later, and a warrant is issued. This isn’t a conspiracy. It’s how police work is done.

Ok...that is a way to do it but not the only way.



True. Not the only way. But a way that happens with all crimes daily. Not just this one.

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Some of you obviously didn’t read the article and it’s ironic that you’ll puff your chest out and make wild claims of anyone coming for your kids needing to climb over a pile of brass first, but when parents who were denied access to the school board WHOSE PURPOSE IS TO ADMINISTER EDUCATION AS THE PARENTS SEE FIT and have ISD gestapo come to their house all of a sudden it’s “well don’t brake dat thur law an dey poleece won’t come fo ya”. Government doesn’t get to pick and choose who speaks and they can be as caustic as they want as decided by SCOTUS.

You think the left cares how disorderly they are? No, they don’t and that’s why they win.

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NTX, I know you used to be ft worth police. Did the man who threatened everyone at the ft worth school board meeting get arrested? He was escorted out of the meeting but I can’t find anywhere where a warrant for his arrest was issued. Just curious, not being a smart a** or anything. I figured you might have heard?

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Originally Posted by Wool E. Booger
NTX, I know you used to be ft worth police. Did the man who threatened everyone at the ft worth school board meeting get arrested? He was escorted out of the meeting but I can’t find anywhere where a warrant for his arrest was issued. Just curious, not being a smart a** or anything. I figured you might have heard?

in case those folks who might not know , the person did this twice. The video we seen here was the second time he did so.


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NTX, I know you used to be ft worth police. Did the man who threatened everyone at the ft worth school board meeting get arrested? He was escorted out of the meeting but I can’t find anywhere where a warrant for his arrest was issued. Just curious, not being a smart a** or anything. I figured you might have heard?

in case those folks who might not know , the person did this twice. The video we seen here was the second time he did so.


That school will teach him not to disrupt the lesson....

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NTX, I know you used to be ft worth police. Did the man who threatened everyone at the ft worth school board meeting get arrested? He was escorted out of the meeting but I can’t find anywhere where a warrant for his arrest was issued. Just curious, not being a smart a** or anything. I figured you might have heard?

in case those folks who might not know , the person did this twice. The video we seen here was the second time he did so.


That school will teach him not to disrupt the lesson....

Don’t confuse the two cases


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We’re not talking about a search warrant here where doors were kicked in. If you have an arrest warrant of any type, literally It could be for expired registration ticket that went to warrant, the police can go knock on your door and arrest you if you open.

Cbump, I'm sorry, you exceeded the thirty seconds of free speech that we so charitably allowed you to have on this forum. We've tried everything to accommodate you: made you wait outside, reduced the number of spots in the meeting room by 80%, moved the meeting place to smaller rooms, cut your mic, and made fun of you and your excessive love for your children to your face.

We hereby declare that your impolite refusal to agree with some members of this meeting place constitutes an obstruction and disturbance to the public consent to the foolish rules we are enacting (now with COVID, with the force of law). If your opinion is allowed to be heard, and if this board is shown to be unable to answer your questions or is made uncomfortable, we won't be able to presume power over the families of the community. We therefore have absolutely no choice but to expedite your arrest. You may no longer attempt to speak here. You must return home to await your arrest and detention with other dangerous criminals who threaten our community. You have the right to remain silent.....

See how irritating it is when someone presumes authority over you? Ever wonder what it's like to really be silenced by your government? I bet the dozens of people getting pitched from "meetings", threatened with detention, lawsuits, and loudly ridiculed by the less sharp thinkers in our midst, I bet they are massively more irritated. I bet also that school boards taking the risky path of open discussion, of legitimate communication, would have fixed all of this (though obviously that would result in a transfer of authority back to the public, which evil little people always hate).

All this to prevent free speech. In America. Driven by officious inferiority complex people with too much power- the very thing our government was founded to prevent. It takes some courage to confront government when it goes wrong, all it takes to support that wrong is fear.


Your post wasn’t irritating, just pointless. I’m just stating facts in this entire thread regarding the law. I guarantee you if people went in with a rational head and used their time to talk like an adult rather yelling and screaming and having to get dragged out of the meeting, they wouldn’t get their mics turned off or commit a crime. Just act like an adult.

Go in and scream and the board members at your company and see what happens.


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Cbump I like your description of my post as "pointless". grin Then your post goes on:
States that you are merely stating facts...(I agree)
Agrees with me again about how people can best behave in board meetings.
Not sure if you want to agree too much with pointlessness though, lol.

Hoping I can clarify (Sorry so long- I'm not intending to flame but there's a lot to cover/a lot I'll leave out too):
That "point" of entertaining this disagreement is to correct situations where corrupted power obstructs communication and disclosure. In a word, Justice. The RR school board is the example. It's a lot easier for the bad guys to avoid disagreement by throwing the dissidents in jail, using force make them decide to stop disagreeing. Lots of scary countries do this increasingly, and it works great. Obviously nobody notices when they jail parents making violent threats or throwing punches.

To sum up: If you talk to people first, you likely won't have to fight them later.

But we know the RR school board (like so many run by leftists or just authoritarians) has not been willing to talk- to permit review by parents. We are aware of the Board's consistent actions, the effect of which has been primarily to prevent parents from expressing themselves passionately but nonviolently, to advocate for their children. Advocating against protected speech is what the RR Board is doing of course. Some may think uncomfortable, loud, disagreeable speech is not protected- this is wrong but everybody should read up on that.

We see a surprising lack of awareness of the document which made everything possible. Here's a site to start to fill in those blanks, but I'd recommend starting to build an understanding of history as well. Read 1984 before it's redundant. Education is a nonstop thing.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-i/interps/266

We agree on how to argue: "I guarantee you if people went in with a rational head and used their time to talk like an adult...." Exactly, if "people" includes the board too, I'm with you. If the boards don't have to behave rationally, we're in trouble. If RR school board meetings were conducted with maturity and a willingness to listen, I predict these news stories would be gone like a vapor. I'd prefer to see hot-head parents going to their meetings to make their statements for 5 minutes of fire and brimstone. We could let Cbump run the tazer once their time is up, to keep the line moving. I guarantee you if people got to speak, fewer of them would take actions to land them in jail

But RR officials are inarguably abusing power to silence people- I won't play back the record there. But I do insist that it's just evil and parents see through it very easily. Across the country, a tide is moving: officials in various positions who mirror a crude authoritarian mindset are being challenged for it and some removed. Good. Let school boards be representative.

Let those who are crippled by fear of governments be free to limit their own speech as they choose, while leaving the rest of us unlimited. Let parents speak truth to power.

...And obviously I wouldn't need to yell and scream at the leaders of my company-or the leaders of my local board- since all of them are normal grown-ups who aren't pulling some shady s. on my kids and who won't hide behind statutes to silence me. But that was the "point" I suppose.

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Even two of our most liberal members can’t agree on this. I don’t know what to think, anymore.

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Originally Posted by Wool E. Booger
NTX, I know you used to be ft worth police. Did the man who threatened everyone at the ft worth school board meeting get arrested? He was escorted out of the meeting but I can’t find anywhere where a warrant for his arrest was issued. Just curious, not being a smart a** or anything. I figured you might have heard?


I truly don't know. I keep up with my guys in the gang unit but they don't deal with stuff like that. Mainly shootings and such.

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NTX, I know you used to be ft worth police. Did the man who threatened everyone at the ft worth school board meeting get arrested? He was escorted out of the meeting but I can’t find anywhere where a warrant for his arrest was issued. Just curious, not being a smart a** or anything. I figured you might have heard?


I truly don't know. I keep up with my guys in the gang unit but they don't deal with stuff like that. Mainly shootings and such.

well , he did say his gang was 1000 deep . Locked and loaded he said. hammer


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How did I miss this till now? Round Rock is a suburb of Austin and apparently the same liberal freak show that is Austin. I tend to agree that they were silenced for disagreement with the mask mandates. I am also dismayed that the local law enforcement officers backed that crap! I am also disappointed that we have members on here that are law enforcement officers who continue to back that obviously political crap. Even our Governor has made a stand against mask mandates in public schools.


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How did I miss this till now? Round Rock is a suburb of Austin and apparently the same liberal freak show that is Austin. I tend to agree that they were silenced for disagreement with the mask mandates. I am also dismayed that the local law enforcement officers backed that crap! I am also disappointed that we have members on here that are law enforcement officers who continue to back that obviously political crap. Even our Governor has made a stand against mask mandates in public schools.


I just watched the video of the entire meeting. The idiots who were later arrested, were yelling when it wasn't their turn to speak, so the people who were allotted their time to speak, couldn't be heard by the board. That is every necessary element of the offense they were arrested for. If you were there trying to have your voice heard and someone was disrupting your time to speak, by them yelling about how everyone should be wearing a mask, how would you feel about them being kicked out of the meeting and later being arrested? You would be criticizing law enforcement if they didn't and I guarantee it.

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How did I miss this till now? Round Rock is a suburb of Austin and apparently the same liberal freak show that is Austin. I tend to agree that they were silenced for disagreement with the mask mandates. I am also dismayed that the local law enforcement officers backed that crap! I am also disappointed that we have members on here that are law enforcement officers who continue to back that obviously political crap. Even our Governor has made a stand against mask mandates in public schools.


I just watched the video of the entire meeting. The idiots who were later arrested, were yelling when it wasn't their turn to speak, so the people who were allotted their time to speak, couldn't be heard by the board. That is every necessary element of the offense they were arrested for. If you were there trying to have your voice heard and someone was disrupting your time to speak, by them yelling about how everyone should be wearing a mask, how would you feel about them being kicked out of the meeting and later being arrested? You would be criticizing law enforcement if they didn't and I guarantee it.


Yeah they were clearly fed up with the mask mandates, and the Round Rock school board, and rightly so.


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You think you can just go into a school board meeting or city council meeting and start acting a fool? I don’t know one thing about this particular incident but I do know it’s a crime to do that. This sensationalism journalism from both sides is ridiculous. No local pd is arresting people for political reasons.



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From that link, disrupting a lawful meeting is "class B misdemeanor". I did not know they can issue a home warrant to arrest of a class B misdemeanor violation. Interesting!


What is a home arrest warrant? If a warrant is issued you can be arrested at home, work, at the park, at your local men's club, on the golf course, at the mall or wherever law enforcement may find you.

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The Breitbart article is very poorly written.


No worries, you got 3 pages out of it anyway.

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From the description, It Sounds like an isd police department who got warrants for these people’s arrest and went and arrested them. confused2


Some judge should be removed from office for signing that warrant


Why? If they disrupted a meeting to the point they had to be dragged out then they committed a crime.
If they had to be dragged out, why weren't they arrested on the spot? After the fact, even if you decided to file more charges, a phone call would have worked to bring them in... this was "can't beat the ride" stuff... arresting them at night, at home, holding overnight, for disrupting a public meeting..... in the past tense....

For the record, I was a LEO for 10 years, and now work in the School Safety and Security field....... this one doesn't pass the smell test.... if we have all the information, which I doubt


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I'm with you on that Sig - too many folks wanting to look at the letter of the law instead of what the parents are trying to say at these school board meetings...by all means the guys were breaking the law but the school boards are breaking our children, our families, and the general fabric of society so you can see where folks might go apesh*t upon occasion...

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Allen West back at it.

Texas GOP candidate vows to investigate RRISD police after board meeting arrests
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ROUND ROCK, Texas (KXAN) — Allen West, a Texas GOP candidate, vowed in front of Round Rock parents and community members Wednesday that he would launch an investigation into the Round Rock ISD Police Department if elected governor.

It comes after two men were arrested in connection to a RRISD board meeting.

“Round Rock ISD coordinated with the Williamson County Sheriff’s Office, which was the arresting agency in this case,” a spokesperson for the district wrote when KXAN asked about the arrests Sept. 18. The same day the Williamson County Sheriff’s Office told us they “had no involvement in this case” but are listed as the arresting agency on court documents.

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-pol...risd-police-after-board-meeting-arrests/

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Smells like I was right. Maybe. Check your shoes.

I read that the September meeting in which the two Dads were dragged out was about the Superintendent Azaiez. He had just joined in July. He is a real winner and seems to me like the board is covering for him. New meeting was yesterday, called by Boone and Weston (the rational dissent on the school board apparently)- to look in to getting rid of Azaiez.

"The comments came during a press conference outside of a RRISD school board meeting where the board was expected to go into closed session to “meet in consultation with legal counsel to discuss the employment and performance of the Superintendent.” -KXAN

Dangit, I should have put popcorn in the microwave before looking in to this. Apparently the two sane members of the RR board they are trying to eject, are the two that called the special meeting because:

Superintendent Drama

At one meeting, a parent put up screenshots of the "Super" behavior:
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A text sequence on June 28: The married superintendent demands that his girlfriend get an abortion. The superintendent threatens the girlfriend, “I’ll make you pay.” The superintendent shows his intent, “You will lose this baby.”

On July, 5, the girlfriend reaches out to [board trustee] Cory Vessa regarding the superintendent’s behavior. On July 6, Cory Vessa rejects the girlfriend’s outreach. On the evening of July 6, this pregnant woman would be physically assaulted. Hence, the temporary restraining order. Thank you.
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Those two, Boone and Weston, were alone in voting against the new Super as well at the start. The board was alerted to his many troubles as soon as he was hired in July, it looks like. But they kept it quiet. Again it's the two seeming normal people on the board against the apparently nutty majority school board.

If only the school board majority could continue their frenzy of authoritarian psychopathy, arresting and punishing anyone who dares to object to these acts and omissions, everything would be right as rain. smile

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