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Gun Trust/Suppressor Paperwork #8429487 10/25/21 08:00 PM
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So I am borrowing my brother's suppressed rifle for an upcoming hunting trip. The suppressor is owned by a gun trust, and I am a trustee.

What all paperwork do I have to carry with me? Are TPWD game wardens interested in the suppressor documentation, or just the feds?

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Any LEO can check for paperwork. A copy of the trust, tax stamps and form 4 is what I carry.

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All I carry is a copy of the form 4 with stamp. Never been questioned, I’d assume it would be a federal guy asking questions.

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Originally Posted by COFF (TFF)
So I am borrowing my brother's suppressed rifle for an upcoming hunting trip. The suppressor is owned by a gun trust, and I am a trustee.

What all paperwork do I have to carry with me? Are TPWD game wardens interested in the suppressor documentation, or just the feds?

Originally Posted by 68rustbucket
All I carry is a copy of the form 4 with stamp. Never been questioned, I’d assume it would be a federal guy asking questions.


If your not hunting on federal land & you're hunting in Texas, I wouldn't worry about it. Saying that, I have a pic of the stamp in my phone & copy of the trust/form in my truck, but I often drive through a US Wildlife Refuge.

Talk about a senseless law, I think suppressors should be mandatory & supplied with every firearm for sake of your hearing. Ringing in the ears is no fun.

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Originally Posted by Dodge_Rock
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So I am borrowing my brother's suppressed rifle for an upcoming hunting trip. The suppressor is owned by a gun trust, and I am a trustee.

What all paperwork do I have to carry with me? Are TPWD game wardens interested in the suppressor documentation, or just the feds?

Originally Posted by 68rustbucket
All I carry is a copy of the form 4 with stamp. Never been questioned, I’d assume it would be a federal guy asking questions.


If your not hunting on federal land & you're hunting in Texas, I wouldn't worry about it. Saying that, I have a pic of the stamp in my phone & copy of the trust/form in my truck, but I often drive through a US Wildlife Refuge.

Talk about a senseless law, I think suppressors should be mandatory & supplied with every firearm for sake of your hearing. Ringing in the ears is no fun.


I forget what country in Europe that suppressors are only allowed to be used at gun ranges. I agree with your statement above.


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Re: Gun Trust/Suppressor Paperwork [Re: COFF (TFF)] #8430148 10/26/21 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by COFF (TFF)
What all paperwork do I have to carry with me? Are TPWD game wardens interested in the suppressor documentation, or just the feds?


DPS checks, and some game wardens will also if it's not your land.

You need a photo of the Form 4, and the trustee identification page(s).

A note of caution: never assume you can add a trustee for an item transferred in after the new RP rules took effect.


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Re: Gun Trust/Suppressor Paperwork [Re: Inge0071] #8430267 10/26/21 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Inge0071
A note of caution: never assume you can add a trustee for an item transferred in after the new RP rules took effect.


Please elaborate...not sure what you are meaning. I was under the impression trustees could be added/removed at will and I do realize a notary is involved in this action.

I carry a copy of my stamp. I bought my first almost 10 years ago...I've been asked one time from an overzealous power hungry range officer. FWIW - he didn't get to see my stamp but I was polite about it.


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Originally Posted by Judd
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A note of caution: never assume you can add a trustee for an item transferred in after the new RP rules took effect.


I was under the impression trustees could be added/removed at will....


Prior to the 2016 FR, your understanding would be 100% accurate. Only one trustee needed to be fingerprinted, etc. for the trust to receive an NFA item. You could add/remove folks for the weekend if you wanted, with a simple handwritten note.

The new rule requires each trustee to be approved as a Responsible Person at the time a transfer occurs.

Some folks, including some attorneys, correctly state the FR technically still allows new trustees to be added after the trust receives a transfer. This is a public forum, so I won't go into theoretical uses for the interpretation. But that's risky, IMOP. Just like not getting an SBR stamp for your nifty 5.56 pistol.

The 2016 FR is currently under internal review, by bureaucrats that fundamentally hate Americans. With NFA items, if you've taken the time to do it right, why not err on the side of caution and assume you'll be second guessed if you're found in possession of an NFA item transferred after 2016, but for which you are not a RP.

Feel free to PM if needed.


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Originally Posted by Inge0071
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A note of caution: never assume you can add a trustee for an item transferred in after the new RP rules took effect.


I was under the impression trustees could be added/removed at will....


Prior to the 2016 FR, your understanding would be 100% accurate. Only one trustee needed to be fingerprinted, etc. for the trust to receive an NFA item. You could add/remove folks for the weekend if you wanted, with a simple handwritten note.

The new rule requires each trustee to be approved as a Responsible Person at the time a transfer occurs.

Some folks, including some attorneys, correctly state the FR technically still allows new trustees to be added after the trust receives a transfer. This is a public forum, so I won't go into theoretical uses for the interpretation. But that's risky, IMOP. Just like not getting an SBR stamp for your nifty 5.56 pistol.

The 2016 FR is currently under internal review, by bureaucrats that fundamentally hate Americans. With NFA items, if you've taken the time to do it right, why not err on the side of caution and assume you'll be second guessed if you're found in possession of an NFA item transferred after 2016, but for which you are not a RP.

Feel free to PM if needed.


Thanks for clarifying...I agree with you...all trustees need to be approved. What I've not seen is any process or prevention of adding someone after the fact. You're playing the safe than sorry point of view and I get that.


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Re: Gun Trust/Suppressor Paperwork [Re: ntxtrapper] #8430376 10/26/21 04:05 PM
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Exactly the type of publicity that should be avoided.

One thing I learned in D.C. - these people hate normal Americans. Most are lazy and do not understand firearm mechanics. They do, however, take the time to surf the internet for ideas when additional rules would assist their political interest.

I almost got shot once because an aggressive local police officer didn't know machine guns were legal. I did get detained.

When it comes to NFA crap, my advice - as quaint as it may be - is to err on the side of caution and assume you'll have to pay an attorney if the USDA gets over zealous.

As an example, look at the verbiage millions of Americans relied on starting in '17 re braces:

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The ATF said then it doesn't necessarily make you a felon if you happen to shoulder a pistol brace. But do you really want to risk it?

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I carry a copy of the stamp with me, and it has my name on it (I am the Grantor). Keep a copy of the trustee page with your name on it with the stamp.

Gov. Abbott signed a '2A sanctuary' bill into law earlier this year which lessens the likelihood of a Texas LEO hassling you about a suppressor.


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