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Out of state hunters draw odds #8424728 10/20/21 07:11 PM
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For years I have been putting in for the Texas big game draw. I know the Texas draw is honest and the California draw for the most part is rigged. I was just wondering if an out of state hunter has ever been drawn. I am hoping to at least get drawn for the Whitetail portion of it as my Daughter Sandi has harvested both Mule Deer and Blacktails. Anyway, just curious. Not a typical Californian, I'm a conservative

Re: Out of state hunters draw odds [Re: Dan S.] #8424782 10/20/21 08:03 PM
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Yes. There are no Resident specific allocation requirements like Cali. Unfortunately


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Re: Out of state hunters draw odds [Re: Dan S.] #8424786 10/20/21 08:06 PM
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I've put in for years and never been drawn, but others here have. I don't think ours is rigged, I just think
a billionzillion hunters enter every year.


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All you can do is play and pray. Sometimes you get lucky, but it's harder every year. The multiple applications in every category really hurt the odds of drawing.

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Originally Posted by Blank
All you can do is play and pray. Sometimes you get lucky, but it's harder every year. The multiple applications in every category really hurt the odds of drawing.



They need to limit it to Three choices per species regardless of method of take IMO


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Re: Out of state hunters draw odds [Re: Dan S.] #8424803 10/20/21 08:16 PM
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Odds for non-residents are the same as for residents - both are equally terrible, especially now that they are cubing bonus points. I quit applying after making a hefty donation for years. It just isn't worth jumping in the pool if you don't have a bunch of points.

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Since the TPWD started cubing loyalty points, it has made it exponentially harder to draw anything unless you already had a big pile of points for that draw. A short timer like me (4 years in) has such a small chance it probably isn’t worth the trouble, at least for the popular hunts.

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They can stop cubing the points....right after I draw the bighorn sheep hunt! grin


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Re: Out of state hunters draw odds [Re: SherpaPhil] #8425724 10/21/21 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
Odds for non-residents are the same as for residents - both are equally terrible, especially now that they are cubing bonus points. I quit applying after making a hefty donation for years. It just isn't worth jumping in the pool if you don't have a bunch of points.



Yet THF has had a few super slam drawers. End of the day it’s a chance in the hat. I do wish they would limited choices though


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Re: Out of state hunters draw odds [Re: Dan S.] #8429952 10/26/21 02:20 AM
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I started playing the TPW Lottery game well over 25 years ago, before Forums like this were started. Note my THF Member #'s entry date...My Fishing Forum member # is/was older than the one here dating back to when JP was holding local fishing tournaments.

That was then and this is now. I quit posting on all on the Forums I had been active in roughly 6 years ago and am still persona Non Grata in some of them. But that does not keep me from reading for example 24HCF 1st where I had been as active as I was here along with other Forums in Louisiana & Florida for example.

Won a few TPW hunts regularly back in those Pre computerized TPW Lottery Hunts days. Back then you signed up for a TPW printed booklet to be mailed to you, and filled out the coupon entry form and mailed the paper form back in to Austin. I used to have an extensive library of previous years Booklets I'd kept to track the variations in a particular site's changes & success #'s from year to year and regularly won something somewhere almost every year. Still got 21 LP's for SLRSP but nowdays expect to get skunked again.

IMO Since the advent of the current TPW program changes including the overriding TPW effort to recruit Non Resident participants, looking for out of state Hunter's $'s just like the Rocky Mountain states do. What goes around elsewhere should go around in Texas too. Case in Point: I just wish that TPW would follow the same successful super long term pattern that the Texas Insurance Board uses when responding to out of state applicants looking for a Texas Insurance Sales License's. Eye for an Eye..no more but no less $ for $ & Permit for Permit.

FWIW it seems to me like Texas Residents are not receiving the primary effort by TPW in winning Lottery Hunts, concentrating instead on collecting tourist $'s. But at my age I'll be long gone before TPW stops chasing tourist $'s at the expense of Texas Residents who pay the majority of the State TPW Budget.
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Re: Out of state hunters draw odds [Re: Dan S.] #8431207 10/27/21 02:13 PM
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It seems to me that it would be very easy to help out resident applicants. TPWD could require the purchase of a hunting licence, non refundable, before applying. Most resident applicants buy the license anyway. Out of state applicants would have more skin in the game since most of the hunts are on state land and they don't pay any tax in the state. That's what several other states do and I think it's fair. Applying to hunt federal land is a different matter. Federal land belongs to an out of state hunter as much as an in state hunter.

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Re: Out of state hunters draw odds [Re: Dan S.] #8436180 11/01/21 10:04 PM
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I can understand the resentment of non Texans getting in for the draw to the residents. We have that here also especially for Tule Elk as we are the only place that has them. I will say one thing though, at least the Texas hunts are honest. That's why I apply for the Texas hunts. Its is mainly in the hopes of getting drawn and I can take my Daughter as she has harvested both Mule and Blacktail Deer and I would like to see her get a Whitetail before I go to happy hunting grounds and at 84 it might be getting closer than I like to think about. The other reason is that almost all the Texans and this is no BS that I have met have been pretty decent folks and I have enjoyed their company. So yes, I will put in again next year over putting in for the CA. hunts which are for a good part rigged.

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