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Man Sig ain’t playing #8400431 09/28/21 05:12 PM
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Sig just punked swaro with the base map upload. Sig really has taken a huge role in pushing ballistic technologies at an affordable price point.

Interesting but still no 12x


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Love my BDX3000 bino’s for the ranging and app interface, but dang it the viewing experience is just abysmal. If only it was like looking through a pair of Leicas….

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They still need to tweak some rifle scope features.


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Originally Posted by Crews
Love my BDX3000 bino’s for the ranging and app interface, but dang it the viewing experience is just abysmal. If only it was like looking through a pair of Leicas….


I’ve always said same thing, Swaro glass, Leica ergonomics, Sig ballistics, Vortex warranty, Maven price and 12X!!!


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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
They still need to tweak some rifle scope features.


Half their scope features aren’t legal in a lot states so their lacking isn’t that big of deal.


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I replaced my Vortex Fury HD w/ Sig BDX3k and I've been really happy...I did it for less than half what Ziess, Swarvo and Leica cost. My eyes are not good enough to see a 2x difference between them either.

I'm a fan of what Sig is doing.


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by FiremanJG
They still need to tweak some rifle scope features.


Half their scope features aren’t legal in a lot states so their lacking isn’t that big of deal.


Was hunting an all around scope for a friend that manages an Academy Sports. She gets a 20% discount I think. So I was sticking with what they deal in, and Sig was one brand. There's some pretty good options, but on their mid tier scopes they had some MOA options, but not Mil. Really, these days, that's backwards. MOA has really fallen out of favor. Had that same conversation with a Swaro rep at a rifle match. What I told him, and what I told him to go investigate with 120 shooters on the property was all news to him.

It's like optics makers don't have any shooters working for them.


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Waiting to see the head to head on the Sig8k-ABS vs Gunwerks BR4. Pros and cons to both but I would like to see a couple of comparisons before taking the plunge.

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It appears that Sig is playing catch up in some ways to the Fury 5000 with the full blown AB software, wind detection, etc. Their RF's are amazing that's for sure. Main upgrades seem to be RF ability, choice of aiming reticles, and they claim upgraded optics but the jury is out on that one. 5 yr warranty on electronics still lags way behind Vortex, but then everyone lags behind Vortex in the electronic warranty arena. Hopefully their quality control is better with these, as my set of BDX 3000's had roaming diopters, and the actual laser beam was aligned outside of the circle reticle, all of which Sig replied was "within spec".

I'm selling my Fury 5000 AB's and will be going to the Geovid's with the new passport warranty. They are a great package, much superior to the Sig3000BDX that I had, but I've gotten used to superb optics. One thing about it, RF technology is rapidly accelerating, and I'm betting even though the FuryAB is new, it will be upgraded pretty soon as well.

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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
Really, these days, that's backwards. MOA has really fallen out of favor.



They must be marketing to Buzz. laugh





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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
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They still need to tweak some rifle scope features.


Half their scope features aren’t legal in a lot states so their lacking isn’t that big of deal.


Was hunting an all around scope for a friend that manages an Academy Sports. She gets a 20% discount I think. So I was sticking with what they deal in, and Sig was one brand. There's some pretty good options, but on their mid tier scopes they had some MOA options, but not Mil. Really, these days, that's backwards. MOA has really fallen out of favor. Had that same conversation with a Swaro rep at a rifle match. What I told him, and what I told him to go investigate with 120 shooters on the property was all news to him.

It's like optics makers don't have any shooters working for them.


Most annoying thing in the world it patented reticles but that’s a different thread

Next time you see swaro rep tell them they are dumb for not having a 12x rangefinder bino


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Originally Posted by Theringworm
Waiting to see the head to head on the Sig8k-ABS vs Gunwerks BR4. Pros and cons to both but I would like to see a couple of comparisons before taking the plunge.


Ain’t nothing like paying 3k for technology that’s obsolete quicker then phones!!! barf

But on a serious note I concur.


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown

I’ve always said same thing, Swaro glass, Leica ergonomics, Sig ballistics, Vortex warranty, Maven price and 12X!!!

I’d be happy with Vortex Razor glass/warranty + 15x56, which is the master race size (who doesn’t use a tripod these days?)

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As usual y’all are talking another language.
I’m sitting alone in a strange town in a strange restaurant finishing my second glass of wine so I just needed something to reply to. Carry on optic tech wizards.
Edit. Bobo, if no one in the whole wide world makes a12x then give it up,,,, There must be a reason. You evidently are a real big deal but not big enough to make one just for you.

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Originally Posted by freerange
As usual y’all are talking another language.
I’m sitting alone in a strange town in a strange restaurant finishing my second glass of wine so I just needed something to reply to. Carry on optic tech wizards.
Edit. Bobo, if no one in the whole wide world makes a12x then give it up,,,, There must be a reason. You evidently are a real big deal but not big enough to make one just for you.


Ha, I’m not sure why no 12x unless they are scared to poach from their dedicated western type glassing line. With that said even the swaro El range glass doesn’t match Pure NL or even Gen2 EL’s from what I saw, but combo bino/range might be all some need to sacrifice glass some.
I might just roll with 15x Geovids

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Originally Posted by Crews
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I’ve always said same thing, Swaro glass, Leica ergonomics, Sig ballistics, Vortex warranty, Maven price and 12X!!!

I’d be happy with Vortex Razor glass/warranty + 15x56, which is the master race size (who doesn’t use a tripod these days?)


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Called Doug at Camerland a couple weeks ago and paid to get on the waiting list for the Sig Kilo10k....hope they show by mid October


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown

I might just roll with 15x Geovids.

https://leicacamerausa.com/15-x-56-geovid-r-yards.html


That is the only option I’m aware of for 15x56. I’d be willing to sacrifice the fancy Bluetooth and dope from app for the glass. My only reservation is the beam size. I had older Geovids and the beam was pretty big. I think the new ones are much better. There are so many different models it’s hard to tell which is which.

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Originally Posted by Crews
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I might just roll with 15x Geovids.

https://leicacamerausa.com/15-x-56-geovid-r-yards.html


That is the only option I’m aware of for 15x56. I’d be willing to sacrifice the fancy Bluetooth and dope from app for the glass. My only reservation is the beam size. I had older Geovids and the beam was pretty big. I think the new ones are much better. There are so many different models it’s hard to tell which is which.


Good friend is a guide in NM and rolls with them. Day in day out. They are heavy, I don’t think they changed the beam on these I think everything is original and the only changes where in the new HD &.com but I could be wrong

The newer HD have 56mm in the line so I bet a 12 or 15 should be coming


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IMO, when a manufacturer puts together a bino/rf unit, it is meant to be carried all the time so you can make quick use of the rf feature. A 12x or 15x for that matter doesn't cut it for most full time use binos, as there is too much hand shake, bulk, etc. I use 10x on a tripod all the time and it is much better than handheld glassing. I can't prove it, but the market for regular 12-15x binos has to be very small anyway, as it is a specialized form of glassing.

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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by Crews
Love my BDX3000 bino’s for the ranging and app interface, but dang it the viewing experience is just abysmal. If only it was like looking through a pair of Leicas….


I’ve always said same thing, Swaro glass, Leica ergonomics, Sig ballistics, Vortex warranty, Maven price and 12X!!!




If they could do ^^^^ this in a 10x I would be really happy. I will not go back from alpha glass just to get the RF-ing features. Swaro are you listening, take the new NL Pures 10 or 12x42s, add in Sig Ballistics and let me buy it.

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