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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8385530 09/15/21 02:02 AM
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Amazing deer tlk.

Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: krmitchell] #8385538 09/15/21 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by krmitchell
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ok - NOT saying this buck is a world record but this is last season on our LF south texas lease I was on for 13 years - he was only 5 years old so believe it or not we let him walk - no idea if he will go up or down this year but this alone should make folks realize that a world record typical is possible in south texas these days - no introduced genetics - just protein and heavy culling and management and letting them grow to maturity - that is all we have done


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What do you estimate he scored at 5?


200 - we have video and many pics - this was september just out of velvet - my experience is that when they first come out of velvet they are thin horned - then they seem to add mass


Fantastic deer. Sad to hear your group isn’t the one ground checking him.

IME it is the exact opposite. When they turn hard horned and strip the velvet off, the antler is hard and dense. Hardened antler is done growing. If anything they loose mass as they rub trees and brush. IME with pen raised bucks that were darted to use as breeders and scoring them right after they strip the velvet...then picking up the sheds in the spring...they always lost mass.. The almost always lost inches from first score to final shed pick up score also. The more aggressive the buck is rubbing trees or signpost rubs, the more he looses in mass in the spots on his antlers where he continually rubs. It may not be much but they will loose.


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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386092 09/15/21 07:03 PM
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Not the exact topic of this thread but somewhat related.
I just got this from TP&W who checked on the largest 8pt killed in Texas after seeing my buck.

I screen shot the email.

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The card I got back from B&C says the official number on mine is 175 3/8


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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386101 09/15/21 07:11 PM
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DS,

would love to see a photo. up

Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386113 09/15/21 07:26 PM
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Wow, that is impressive, congrats.


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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386155 09/15/21 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffbird
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would love to see a photo. up

Look at his past posts-photos there. Not surprised it’s the top 8-amazing buck.


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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386266 09/15/21 09:38 PM
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sounds like a great deer!


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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386291 09/15/21 10:01 PM
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Keep in mind the record has to NET higher than the current record.

Deductions have killed many potential records even though they grossed higher.



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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386355 09/15/21 11:24 PM
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Congratulations on your massive eight!! I saw it when you first posted photos and I couldn't imagine one that was even bigger with more mass.

Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386377 09/15/21 11:52 PM
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stxranchman - you are the last person I want to debate with - you are way beyond my pay grade - however I have looked at literally thousand upon thousands of camera pics and our deer coming out of velvet always seemed to be more thin horned - after a few weeks out of velvet they would seem to regain their mass - just reporting what I witnessed with my own eyes


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Originally Posted by tlk
stxranchman - you are the last person I want to debate with - you are way beyond my pay grade - however I have looked at literally thousand upon thousands of camera pics and our deer coming out of velvet always seemed to be more thin horned - after a few weeks out of velvet they would seem to regain their mass - just reporting what I witnessed with my own eyes



Once the velvet is stripped it has stopped being a living tissue....its just bone. Think of it like you skinning your finger and leaving it attached.....gory but its a good representation.


There is no physical way a hardened antler can put on any mass or grow at all.

Your probably just getting used to the deer being out of velvet after the initial shock of the difference in mass between velvet/no velvet


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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: txtrophy85] #8386430 09/16/21 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
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stxranchman - you are the last person I want to debate with - you are way beyond my pay grade - however I have looked at literally thousand upon thousands of camera pics and our deer coming out of velvet always seemed to be more thin horned - after a few weeks out of velvet they would seem to regain their mass - just reporting what I witnessed with my own eyes



Once the velvet is stripped it has stopped being a living tissue....its just bone. Think of it like you skinning your finger and leaving it attached.....gory but its a good representation.


There is no physical way a hardened antler can put on any mass or grow at all.

Your probably just getting used to the deer being out of velvet after the initial shock of the difference in mass between velvet/no velvet



you are probably right


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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386442 09/16/21 12:33 AM
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I think the tips are sharper looking coming out of velvet and slowly get worn down a little. That may be why they look thinner at first.

Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: tlk] #8386512 09/16/21 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by tlk
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stxranchman - you are the last person I want to debate with - you are way beyond my pay grade - however I have looked at literally thousand upon thousands of camera pics and our deer coming out of velvet always seemed to be more thin horned - after a few weeks out of velvet they would seem to regain their mass - just reporting what I witnessed with my own eyes



Once the velvet is stripped it has stopped being a living tissue....its just bone. Think of it like you skinning your finger and leaving it attached.....gory but its a good representation.


There is no physical way a hardened antler can put on any mass or grow at all.

Your probably just getting used to the deer being out of velvet after the initial shock of the difference in mass between velvet/no velvet



you are probably right


Yes he is. Methinks you are somewhat thrown off after having studying them so intently while in velvet.

Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386599 09/16/21 02:42 AM
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It was 180 6/8 gross net 175 3/8
Not the best picture but does show finished mount.
I am away from the computer so don’t have the professional pictures the Taxidermist had done.

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The card stuck in the grass is the official notice from B&C with final score
And I added the two sheds I used to rattle him up with.

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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386610 09/16/21 03:13 AM
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Shazam what a toad! Unbelievable 8 pt there, and the mount and presentation are top notch as well. Congrats and well done.

Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8386649 09/16/21 04:53 AM
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Outstanding DS.

Congratulations! cheers

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Shazam what a toad! Unbelievable 8 pt there, and the mount and presentation are top notch as well. Congrats and well done.


This. Congrats




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Originally Posted by DStroud
It was 180 6/8 gross net 175 3/8
Not the best picture but does show finished mount.
I am away from the computer so don’t have the professional pictures the Taxidermist had done.

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The card stuck in the grass is the official notice from B&C with final score
And I added the two sheds I used to rattle him up with.


WOW!! That is an absolutely incredible deer. Congratulations!


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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8387147 09/16/21 06:58 PM
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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: jeffbird] #8387410 09/16/21 11:11 PM
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Told y’all it was gonna come from the Midwest with a bow!


It won’t stick. Guy already admitted it was a high fence escapee more than likely


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Re: Prediction - New World Record? [Re: BOBO the Clown] #8387504 09/17/21 12:27 AM
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I’m with you, same with sports. Too many ways to cheat



So supplemental feed and food plots are cheating?


People are releasing raised deer into the wild and not talking about it. I know of 2 people that have done it in the last 3 years so I’m with the others, record books are garbage anymore but I’ll still smoke a 200”r if it walks by but not tell a soul about it. Anyone talking about killing a giant on low fenced property is either an idiot or simply a fame seeker.


The LF release is extremely rare, and not that hard to prove(unless you had decades of DMP). DNA is DNA.

with that said I completely agree on the last part

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but TPWD does not allow releasing of pen raised deer onto a LF place any longer. I think they stopped it at least 5 or more years ago now. I know of one ranch in South Texas that bred and released bucks and bred does for about 4yrs in a row onto a LF ranch. So, if they are doing it they are doing it illegally. Not sure how they could bypass the release permit or to move deer legally and release site registration to get it done. Then their is the legal side of their annual herd information and inventory they have to do to keep the deer breeder permit legal and up to date. If this is in Oklahoma then I would not know anything about their regulations.


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