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Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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I had always wondered about the 3 shot limit when and how it came about. Or market gun restrictions and ban? Anybody remember when you had to wait till 12:00 PM before you could shot dove, and when it was opened back up at legal DL? With dove and the early teal season quickly approaching, and other bird seasons not far behind, hunters are starting to run down their punch list of things they will need. They are the usual things like camo, game bags, ammunition, calls and decoys, patched waders and, of course, their favorite shotgun. The one thing that is usually not on the list but is just as important from a legal standpoint is a magazine plug for their shotgun that limits shell capacity to no more than three rounds. Since few hunters ever take them out anymore, plugs are usually an afterthought until you are standing in a field or edge of a lake and the game warden pulls out a short hose to check magazine capacity. more https://tylerpaper.com/opinion/thre...ee9aa46-f1b2-11eb-b3e9-03b2e77e1d5a.html
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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How many of you have sat at the edge of a field whittling a shotgun plug out of a mesquite branch because you realized after you got to the field that you didn't have a plug? I have.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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BTDT a couple of times. Used to love the overlap of dove and quail season but you had to make sure of plug.
�Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul.� ~ John Muir
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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How many of you have sat at the edge of a field whittling a shotgun plug out of a mesquite branch because you realized after you got to the field that you didn't have a plug? I have. Me, I just don't take it out anymore cause I can't remember squat.
They make ammo specifically for hunting for a reason!
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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Funny story:
One of the few times I have been checked when waterfowl hunting was in CO at Prewitt Res. I was with my father and brother both of whom were shooting Browning A-5s and I was shooting a side by side double. Game warden came and checked licenses and stamps as well as birds and then said he wanted to look at guns. No problem, so Dad hands over his Browning and they checked to be sure it only held 3. Brother did the same thing. No problems. The the warden asked for my gun and I handed him a double, broken open and the warden actually said I had to show him it wouldn't take more than 3 shells. I asked him how many barrels he saw and he said 2. I asked just where he thought the 3rd shell was going to be? Warden just walked away.
Lost a lot of faith in game wardens that day.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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08/02/21 06:42 PM
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I hunt whitetails in several of our WMA's that have short-range weapons restrictions (archery, muzzleloader, or shotgun only). They love to live in the thick marshes and cattails, and are tough to hunt. I use my 12 ga with a rifled slug barrel, the plug removed, and 5 slugs in it. Several times I have had over-zealous GW's try to tell me my gun is illegal, because it is not plugged, and there are waterfowl in the area. I just tell them to read their own regs, and learn the definition of TAKE. We have had some heated discussions over it too!! Haven't had to fight a ticket yet.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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08/03/21 10:27 PM
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I hunt whitetails in several of our WMA's that have short-range weapons restrictions (archery, muzzleloader, or shotgun only). They love to live in the thick marshes and cattails, and are tough to hunt. I use my 12 ga with a rifled slug barrel, the plug removed, and 5 slugs in it. Several times I have had over-zealous GW's try to tell me my gun is illegal, because it is not plugged, and there are waterfowl in the area. I just tell them to read their own regs, and learn the definition of TAKE. We have had some heated discussions over it too!! Haven't had to fight a ticket yet. These last two posts are eye openers as to the lack of training the new GW's up there are getting. I wonder how many of these GW's have never hunted a day in their life. Either this is the case or they are heck of a good shot to hunt waterfowl with a 12 ga. slug or to be able to put 3 shells in a double barrel shotgun.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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When watching Lonestar Law I pay attention to their hands.
It is amazing how many of the younger game wardens are all wearing Texas A&M rings.
That answer your wondering?
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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It's stupid to have use a plug aren't there limits that should take care of it. I mean duck hunt and only have 3 shells in your gun when you can kill 6 or 7 ducks makes no since.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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It's stupid to have use a plug aren't there limits that should take care of it. I mean duck hunt and only have 3 shells in your gun when you can kill 6 or 7 ducks makes no since. It’s without a doubt the most ridiculous law on the books, but bread and butter for the GW’s.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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Once you've seen the punt guns that were once used for commercial duck harvesting, you'll realize why the three-shot limit would eventually be introduced. They were usually not shouldered like the one shown in the photo below but mounted near the front of small boats. "A single shot could kill over 50 waterfowl resting on the water's surface." Punt Gun
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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Once you've seen the punt guns that were once used for commercial duck harvesting, you'll realize why the three-shot limit would eventually be introduced. They were usually not shouldered like the one shown in the photo below but mounted near the front of small boats. "A single shot could kill over 50 waterfowl resting on the water's surface." Punt Gun What good would a three shot do for a single shot punt gun? Most punt guns were used at night when ducks were roosting rafted up on the water. The three shot law is a joke for sure.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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Grandads 1923-24 Hunting License. Possible reason behind the duck shortage. Daily bag limits on ducks was 25.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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08/10/21 03:25 PM
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That neat seeing that old license.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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08/10/21 04:03 PM
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Once you've seen the punt guns that were once used for commercial duck harvesting, you'll realize why the three-shot limit would eventually be introduced. They were usually not shouldered like the one shown in the photo below but mounted near the front of small boats. "A single shot could kill over 50 waterfowl resting on the water's surface." Punt Gun Hummm you might want to research how punt guns where used. Try visiting the Havre De grace Decoy museum. It’s doesn’t apply to pass shooting
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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It's stupid to have use a plug aren't there limits that should take care of it. I mean duck hunt and only have 3 shells in your gun when you can kill 6 or 7 ducks makes no since. It’s without a doubt the most ridiculous law on the books, but bread and butter for the GW’s. No signed license and or duck stamp is bread and butter. Wait until you see a kid get a ticket last day of season for unsigned stamp. One of the few time I greatly disagree with the GW Judgement
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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I never saw it as a big deal. How many ducks or doves would actually be killed (vs. missed or wounded) on a 4th or 5th shot? Not many…..
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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I also suspect bag limits and shotgun plugs were created to help create a wall between commercial and pleasure hunting. It was the commercial side of both hunting and fishing that has always created the greatest impact on resource numbers.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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When I was in high school, my dad and I parked and walked into some flooded timber near the local lake for the opening day of duck season. We had a pretty good hunt. About mid morning, we saw the local lake patrol wannabe cop walking around on the shore nearby, but didn't think much of it. He didn't see us camoed up in the trees. He was waiting for us as we walked back to the truck and the game Warden pulled up at about the same time we did. Lake patrol started going off about us hunting deer illegally. We calmly explained to him that we were duck hunting, which was perfectly legal. He turned to the game warden and told him he didn't believe us, that were we're just lying. The game warden looked at us in waders, with decoy bags on our backs and straps of ducks. He didn't say a word, got in his truck, and drove off.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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When I was in high school, my dad and I parked and walked into some flooded timber near the local lake for the opening day of duck season. We had a pretty good hunt. About mid morning, we saw the local lake patrol wannabe cop walking around on the shore nearby, but didn't think much of it. He didn't see us camoed up in the trees. He was waiting for us as we walked back to the truck and the game Warden pulled up at about the same time we did. Lake patrol started going off about us hunting deer illegally. We calmly explained to him that we were duck hunting, which was perfectly legal. He turned to the game warden and told him he didn't believe us, that were we're just lying. The game warden looked at us in waders, with decoy bags on our backs and straps of ducks. He didn't say a word, got in his truck, and drove off. Sure you weren't hunting somewhere in Mississippi?
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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Funny story:
One of the few times I have been checked when waterfowl hunting was in CO at Prewitt Res. I was with my father and brother both of whom were shooting Browning A-5s and I was shooting a side by side double. Game warden came and checked licenses and stamps as well as birds and then said he wanted to look at guns. No problem, so Dad hands over his Browning and they checked to be sure it only held 3. Brother did the same thing. No problems. The the warden asked for my gun and I handed him a double, broken open and the warden actually said I had to show him it wouldn't take more than 3 shells. I asked him how many barrels he saw and he said 2. I asked just where he thought the 3rd shell was going to be? Warden just walked away.
Lost a lot of faith in game wardens that day.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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It's stupid to have use a plug aren't there limits that should take care of it. I mean duck hunt and only have 3 shells in your gun when you can kill 6 or 7 ducks makes no since. It’s without a doubt the most ridiculous law on the books, but bread and butter for the GW’s. Yup. But let’s not sell TPWD short, there are a few other rules that are dumb too.
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Re: Three And Out: History Of Shotgun Plugs Goes Back To 1935 And A Duck Shortage
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