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Big 12. #8328085 07/22/21 02:09 PM
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I know there is some Texas stuff going on in the Lounge. But I think this is about the big 12 as a whole.
This is conversation mainly relates to football.

At first, I thought this was an attempt for more bargaining power. I’m starting to think this is for real.
The big12 has been a mess, they had like 10 teams for years. Their new conference championship is pretty much a joke. With top 2. The teams are all mediocre. They have failed to land big teams. Let’s be honest no big team wants to go to big 12.

If they go to a power 4and a 16 team playoff with each conference getting 4 in playoff is not a bad option.


Texas will not go to BIG, most recruits want to play fairly close to home.

This could shift to a power 4 conference.
SEC add Texas/OU
BIG gets Iowa State. Nebraska.
PAC gets Tech/TCU/ Baylor.
ACC gets Baylor. WV.

SEC gets another huge rivalry game
BIg gets Iowa vs Iowa state.

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You seem to have forgotten the money aspect of this. Where is there more money in it for anyone other than Texas/OU in your simulated split

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Can't talk much as I am trying to stay busy in work today (or its keeping me busy)...

You forget Nebraska already went to the BIG, thats done deal.

If texas and OU go to the SEC they will lose big time, just like aTm...perennial middle road teams in the SEC.

Would be interesting to see what comes of this talk

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Roll-Tide, I do not agree with you at all when you say the Big 12-2 is a joke.
There several conferences not nearly as good as them. In fact, most have them ranked as the 3rd best football conference the last 3 years. How's that trash?


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2 - Big 10
3 - Big 12
4 - Pac 12
5 - ACC
6 - AAC
7 - MWC
8 - Sunbelt
9 - Conf USA
10 - MAC

2018
1 - SEC
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3 - Big 12
4 - ACC
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Originally Posted by TLew
You seem to have forgotten the money aspect of this. Where is there more money in it for anyone other than Texas/OU in your simulated split



If Texas and OU leave, it’ll force something similar because there will be no money in staying in the big 12. It wouldn’t be a choice, It would be necessity unless they want to be in an AAC caliber conference. Hell probably worse.

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Originally Posted by ILUVBIGBUCKS
Roll-Tide, I do not agree with you at all when you say the Big 12-2 is a joke.
There several conferences not nearly as good as them. In fact, most have them ranked as the 3rd best football conference the last 3 years. How's that trash?


Last year
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2 - Big 10
3 - Big 12
4 - ACC
5 - Pac 12
6 - Sunbelt
7 - ACC
8 - MAC
9 - MWC
10 - Conf USA

2019
1 - SEC
2 - Big 10
3 - Big 12
4 - Pac 12
5 - ACC
6 - AAC
7 - MWC
8 - Sunbelt
9 - Conf USA
10 - MAC

2018
1 - SEC
2 - Big 10
3 - Big 12
4 - ACC
5 - Pac 12
6 - MWC
7 - AAC
8 - Sunbelt
9 - Conf USA
10 - MAC


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That’s with Texas and OU. Where does the Big12 go on that list without them?

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Originally Posted by cbump
That’s with Texas and OU. Where does the Big12 go on that list without them?

Way, way down to be honest. Probably below halfway on the list at 6 or 7 is my guess.


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Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
Their new conference championship is pretty much a joke. With top 2.

BIG gets Iowa State. Nebraska.


Hard to agree with your opinion since you seem to know very little about the Big 12. Nebraska hasn't been a member since 2011. And newsflash...all conference championship games take the top 2 team, whether it's by divisions or all in top to bottom.

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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
Can't talk much as I am trying to stay busy in work today (or its keeping me busy)...

You forget Nebraska already went to the BIG, thats done deal.

If texas and OU go to the SEC they will lose big time, just like aTm...perennial middle road teams in the SEC.

Would be interesting to see what comes of this talk


WoW how ‘bout that selective memory. TAMU goes to SEC and beat hell out of who? Give Saban a call if you can’t remember.

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Roll-Tide, I do not agree with you at all when you say the Big 12-2 is a joke.
There several conferences not nearly as good as them. In fact, most have them ranked as the 3rd best football conference the last 3 years. How's that trash?


Last year
1 - SEC
2 - Big 10
3 - Big 12
4 - ACC
5 - Pac 12
6 - Sunbelt
7 - ACC
8 - MAC
9 - MWC
10 - Conf USA

2019
1 - SEC
2 - Big 10
3 - Big 12
4 - Pac 12
5 - ACC
6 - AAC
7 - MWC
8 - Sunbelt
9 - Conf USA
10 - MAC

2018
1 - SEC
2 - Big 10
3 - Big 12
4 - ACC
5 - Pac 12
6 - MWC
7 - AAC
8 - Sunbelt
9 - Conf USA
10 - MAC


truth bomb.


Let’s talk power 5 only. Take out TX and OU and see where Big12 ranks.

The Big12 is the only power 5 without a TV network.

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I think TX/OU see a not profitable future of playing Kansas,KState, Tech and a declining TCU and Ok State.

I would much rather see Texas vs Georgia, Bama, Florida, Ole Miss, A&M every year. I think everyone would.

Let’s be honest, Texas loses to OU and plays in the Alamo Bowl all the time. That’s not very exciting to boosters or fans.

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Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
I think TX/OU see a not profitable future of playing Kansas,KState, Tech and a declining TCU and Ok State.

I would much rather see Texas vs Georgia, Bama, Florida, Ole Miss, A&M every year. I think everyone would.

Let’s be honest, Texas loses to OU and plays in the Alamo Bowl all the time. That’s not very exciting to boosters or fans.


And that's going to change how in the SEC? If anything, Texas will lose more and the fans will just whine

ETA: Basically Texas will wind up like A&M and say things like "At least we're in the SEC" when they have a below .500 record

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It’s all about the Benjamin’s, the Big 12 has been dying a slow death for a while now.

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I think it’s about the experience as well. It’s big business.

Of the top 15 in attendance, sec has 8.
Big12 has two, TX and OU.

Everyone wants to play in front of plus 75k. The experience of playing a noon game at TCU in front of 26k people just isn’t the same.

Tennessee hasn’t been relevant in 20 years and still packs the fans.

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Originally Posted by Roll-Tide

Let’s talk power 5 only. Take out TX and OU and see where Big12 ranks.

The Big12 is the only power 5 without a TV network.


We are talking currently as your statement was the big 12 is trash now. You did not state if UT & OU left they'd be trash.

And I didn't see where you stated only power 5 conferences in your original post.

Don't move the bar after making a statement like the one you did to save face.


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I think Texas is crazy for going to the SEC to end up middle of the pack. Think Oklahoma will hold their own.

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Originally Posted by Espy
I think Texas is crazy for going to the SEC to end up middle of the pack. Think Oklahoma will hold their own.


I dont know about that...... Texas will be just fine..... you guys.....

Who gave LSU the toughest game during their championship run?

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Originally Posted by ILUVBIGBUCKS
Originally Posted by Roll-Tide

Let’s talk power 5 only. Take out TX and OU and see where Big12 ranks.

The Big12 is the only power 5 without a TV network.


We are talking currently as your statement was the big 12 is trash now. You did not state if UT & OU left they'd be trash.

And I didn't see where you stated only power 5 conferences in your original post.

Don't move the bar after making a statement like the one you did to save face.


We are only talking about this because of TX OU inquiring about leaving. They are wanting to leave to avoid playing subpar programs. You can’t possibly consider rating a legit conference with the AAC or conference USA.

The power 5 is all that matters. PAC12 is in a deep decline.

I’m simply saying. Take out Texas and OU, and Big12 is dead.

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Originally Posted by TLew
Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
I think TX/OU see a not profitable future of playing Kansas,KState, Tech and a declining TCU and Ok State.

I would much rather see Texas vs Georgia, Bama, Florida, Ole Miss, A&M every year. I think everyone would.

Let’s be honest, Texas loses to OU and plays in the Alamo Bowl all the time. That’s not very exciting to boosters or fans.


And that's going to change how in the SEC? If anything, Texas will lose more and the fans will just whine

ETA: Basically Texas will wind up like A&M and say things like "At least we're in the SEC" when they have a below .500 record

I could have sworn aTm was 8-1 in SEC & 10-1 overall last year with their only loss coming in week 2 against Alabama?
Wins over Vandy, FL, Miss St, Ark, SC, LSU, Aub, Tenn, & NC,

2019 8-5 Fisher
2018 9-4 Fisher
2017 7-5 Sumlin
2016 8-5 Sumlin
2015 8-5 Sumlin
2014 8-5 Sumlin
2013 9-4 Sumlin
2012 11-2 Sumlin

Not seeing any 500 records here


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Let’s talk power 5 only. Take out TX and OU and see where Big12 ranks.

The Big12 is the only power 5 without a TV network.


We are talking currently as your statement was the big 12 is trash now. You did not state if UT & OU left they'd be trash.

And I didn't see where you stated only power 5 conferences in your original post.

Don't move the bar after making a statement like the one you did to save face.


We are only talking about this because of TX OU inquiring about leaving. They are wanting to leave to avoid playing subpar programs. You can’t possibly consider rating a legit conference with the AAC or conference USA.

The power 5 is all that matters. PAC12 is in a deep decline.

I’m simply saying. Take out Texas and OU, and Big12 is dead.

Agree completely


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