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Primer deal
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07/12/21 09:09 PM
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Dave Scott
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Can't find any. I recently got a 454 Casul that uses small rifle primers. I want to reload and have everything but the primers. All the regular catalog folks are out of stock? Why? What is causing the shortage?
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Re: Primer deal
[Re: Dave Scott]
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07/12/21 09:13 PM
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Have you been under a rock? Their hasn’t been any in over a year and what is available has been stupid expensive
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Re: Primer deal
[Re: Dave Scott]
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07/12/21 09:21 PM
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January 2020 to July 2021 is 19 months, per my calculations.
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Re: Primer deal
[Re: Dave Scott]
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07/12/21 09:24 PM
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Why? What is causing the shortage? Civil unrest. Gun grabber president potentially getting in office, and he did. More gun sales than ever. Primers are going to the big ammo makers that are using them up to fill huge orders. Remington shutting down for months, and had a billion dollar back order to fill once they did get moving again. Hand loaders left in the dark. Like Old Thumper said "Have you been under a rock?"
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Re: Primer deal
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07/12/21 09:41 PM
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I have a few bricks of CCI 400’s I paid $100 a brick for last year I don’t need if that Interests you, otherwise your probably SOL searching for any. Those are the hardest ones to find now,
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Re: Primer deal
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07/12/21 09:55 PM
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Things are loosening up a little. My friends got in 50 cartons of 209A and 200 carton of small rifle this morning at the shop. They lasted almost the entire day!!!
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Re: Primer deal
[Re: Dave Scott]
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07/13/21 02:21 AM
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This is what I am afraid of.....when hunting season rolls around and the folks who are hunters but not necessarily shooting enthusiasts come out and they can’t get ammo..... holy cow.... it will be off to the races again to see who can find it and accumulate what they can afford.
"Anyone taking up handloading necessarily plays with unknown factors and takes chances. But so does anyone who drives a car,goes to a cocktail party,eats in a restaurant,or gets married."
Jack O'Connor 1963
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Re: Primer deal
[Re: Dave Scott]
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07/13/21 02:15 PM
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Yes, I have been under a rock. In fact maybe I should have stayed there. A small house out in the Big Bend area all by myself- might be just what the Doctor ordered. I could spend all day just fiddling around. IN ANY EVENT, I am suspicious by nature. "What's that stranger over there doing?" kind of guy. So.... yeah. Is this some kind of a thing to disarm the American people because there was a lot of unrest in many parts of the country? Exactly what parts or components of a primer, (the metal, the fumigate, etc.) are in short supply? Why aren't other products that use the same materials unavailable? Doesn't seem logical. What really gets me, if that is the real reason for the shortage, I'd bet my bottom dollar that virtually NO CRIME is committed with reloaded ammunition. Most criminals aren't smart enough to reload ammo. Those who reload weren't causing anyone harm.
Last edited by Dave Scott; 07/13/21 02:19 PM.
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Re: Primer deal
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07/13/21 03:04 PM
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I had a thread a while back, saying we need another primer manufacturer. I cannot get the answers I need as far as what Haz-Mat is involved, storage of said Haz-Mat, ect, ect. I am quite sure there is red tape.
I've got the land, just need to know the details and cost.
As best I could tell, the component that makes a primer work has nitrocellulose in it. The cup and anvil are from a thin sheet of aluminum, and they are pressed out of said sheet.
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Re: Primer deal
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07/13/21 03:22 PM
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If your Rocks big enough I may join you and I have plenty of primers to keep the zombies away All this worldly mess has gotten beyond old to me.
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Re: Primer deal
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07/13/21 04:07 PM
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FYI From wiki:
Mercury(II) fulminate - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury(II)_fulminate
Mercury(II) fulminate, or Hg(CNO)2, is a primary explosive. It is highly sensitive to friction, heat and shock and is mainly used as a trigger for other explosives in percussion caps and detonators. Mercury(II) cyanate, though its chemical formula is identical, has a different atomic arrangement; the cyanate and fulminate anions are isomers. First used as a priming composition in small copper caps beginning in the 1820s, mercury fulminate quickly replaced flints as a means to ignite black powder charges in muzzle-loading firearms. Later, during the late 19th century and most of the 20th century, mercury fulminate or potassium chlorate became widely used in primers for self-contained rifle and pistol ammunition. Mercury fulminate has the distinct advantage over potassium chlorate of being non-corrosive, but it is known to weaken with time, by decomposing into its constituent elements. The reduced mercury which results forms amalgams with cartridge brass, weakening it, as well. Today, mercury fulminate has been replaced in primers by more efficient chemical substances. These are non-corrosive, less toxic and more stable over time; they include lead azide, lead styphnate and tetrazene derivatives. In addition, none of these compounds require mercury for manufacture, supplies of which can be unreliable in wartime. PreparationDecompositionIn popular cultureSee alsoExternal links Mercury(II) fulminate is prepared by dissolving mercury in nitric acid and adding ethanol to the solution. It was first prepared by Edward Charles Howard in 1800. The crystal structure of this compound was determined only in 2007.
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Re: Primer deal
[Re: Dave Scott]
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07/13/21 04:19 PM
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Midway currently has some CCI Small Rifle 5.56mm NATO-Spec Military Primers #41 https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1301170074?pid=170074You can find some SRP at Midway or PV at least once every week or two....you just got to hit up the site often and jump on them before they're all gone.
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Re: Primer deal
[Re: Dave Scott]
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07/13/21 04:30 PM
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Yes, I have been under a rock. In fact maybe I should have stayed there. A small house out in the Big Bend area all by myself- might be just what the Doctor ordered. I could spend all day just fiddling around. IN ANY EVENT, I am suspicious by nature. "What's that stranger over there doing?" kind of guy. So.... yeah. Is this some kind of a thing to disarm the American people because there was a lot of unrest in many parts of the country? Exactly what parts or components of a primer, (the metal, the fumigate, etc.) are in short supply? Why aren't other products that use the same materials unavailable? Doesn't seem logical. What really gets me, if that is the real reason for the shortage, I'd bet my bottom dollar that virtually NO CRIME is committed with reloaded ammunition. Most criminals aren't smart enough to reload ammo. Those who reload weren't causing anyone harm. What is in short supply isn't the raw materials. The manufacturers just can not keep up with current demand. It's not a conspiracy to disarm America or anything like that at all. It's just the toilet paper panic scenario. This is the third panic that I recall in my lifetime. During non-panic times, manufacturers have no issues keeping up, and actually have surpluses. Therefore can't really afford to build new plants. Then the panic hits and they can not keep up with production demands. Couple that with Remington being out of business for a year, and this shortage maybe lasting a bit longer.
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Re: Primer deal
[Re: Dave Scott]
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07/13/21 04:40 PM
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Couple that with the manufacturer’s knowledge that after the panic buying ends, their demand will go in the toilet. With that, who’d build a new plant. I wouldn’t.
Not my monkeys, not my circus...
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Re: Primer deal
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07/13/21 04:48 PM
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FYI - Midwayusa has small rifle primers in stock right now.
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Re: Primer deal
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07/13/21 04:56 PM
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Yes, I have been under a rock. In fact maybe I should have stayed there. A small house out in the Big Bend area all by myself- might be just what the Doctor ordered. I could spend all day just fiddling around. IN ANY EVENT, I am suspicious by nature. "What's that stranger over there doing?" kind of guy. So.... yeah. Is this some kind of a thing to disarm the American people because there was a lot of unrest in many parts of the country? Exactly what parts or components of a primer, (the metal, the fumigate, etc.) are in short supply? Why aren't other products that use the same materials unavailable? Doesn't seem logical. What really gets me, if that is the real reason for the shortage, I'd bet my bottom dollar that virtually NO CRIME is committed with reloaded ammunition. Most criminals aren't smart enough to reload ammo. Those who reload weren't causing anyone harm. I would trade for that small house!!!!!!
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: Primer deal
[Re: unclebubba]
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07/13/21 05:02 PM
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FYI - Midwayusa has small rifle primers in stock right now. $89.99/ 1000, plus haz-mat and shipping.
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Re: Primer deal
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07/13/21 05:04 PM
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FYI - Midwayusa has small rifle primers in stock right now. $89.99/ 1000, plus haz-mat and shipping. I didn't say they were cheap!
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Re: Primer deal
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07/13/21 06:14 PM
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FYI - Midwayusa has small rifle primers in stock right now. $89.99/ 1000, plus haz-mat and shipping. I didn't say they were cheap! I didn't say that you did.
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Re: Primer deal
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07/13/21 08:06 PM
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Couple that with the manufacturer’s knowledge that after the panic buying ends, their demand will go in the toilet. With that, who’d build a new plant. I wouldn’t. Ammo, Inc. (POWW) is building a new one as we speak.
LETS GO BRANDON
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Re: Primer deal
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07/13/21 08:26 PM
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I guess they did the math. I hope the math was correct. Remember that after the Obama scare, when everybody stocked up, after that the gun makers were hurting. I don’t remember if the component makers were hurting or not.
I remember when Texaco Chemical spent a billion dollars on a plant that was justified on bad assumptions and math. They didn’t even know it till I gave them the real math. It got real quiet in the president’s conference room. Looking back, shoulda kept my mouth shut. Never embarrass the decision makers.
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Re: Primer deal
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07/13/21 09:37 PM
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I guess they did the math. I hope the math was correct. Remember that after the Obama scare, when everybody stocked up, after that the gun makers were hurting. I don’t remember if the component makers were hurting or not.
I remember when Texaco Chemical spent a billion dollars on a plant that was justified on bad assumptions and math. They didn’t even know it till I gave them the real math. It got real quiet in the president’s conference room. Looking back, shoulda kept my mouth shut. Never embarrass the decision makers. They produce a lot of ammo for governments so not sure how dependent they are on the average consumer
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Re: Primer deal
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07/14/21 05:56 AM
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That’s a good point - military demand.
I went ahead and ordered some of the Midway primers. Delivered cost will be about 13 cents each.
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Re: Primer deal
[Re: Ol Thumper]
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07/14/21 12:47 PM
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If your Rocks big enough I may join you and I have plenty of primers to keep the zombies away All this worldly mess has gotten beyond old to me. I'll go with you as long as he doesn't have Wi-Fi or internet. And by the nature of this thread I would say he has neither. lol
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Re: Primer deal
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07/15/21 10:41 AM
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Um, Choctaw, how would a person post here without internet?
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