texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
DFWShootingSport, Hoss Sr, Maddogg, SeanJohnMBA, Wdfwguy
68570 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 108,389
bill oxner 85,983
stxranchman 57,743
SnakeWrangler 57,222
RKHarm24 44,585
rifleman 44,461
Gravytrain 43,023
BMD 41,218
Forum Statistics
Forums46
Topics606,262
Posts11,354,629
Members83,570
Most Online19,184
Feb 5th, 2020
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Exotics hope they get started. #8314916 07/07/21 08:29 PM
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 238
Texas452 Online Content OP
Woodsman
OP Online Content
Woodsman
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 238
3rd exotic I’ve seen in Leon co.
1red stag 1 black buck doe now her.

Attached Files D218AB34-DDD2-48AC-9FB3-1B2C07D62E74.jpeg
Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8314936 07/07/21 08:57 PM
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 868
F
fishdfly Online Content
Tracker
Online Content
Tracker
F
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 868
Which part of the county are you in?

Saw a dead axis doe on Hwy 79 a couple of months ago between Buffalo and Oakwood.

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8314942 07/07/21 09:01 PM
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 18,436
Creekrunner Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 18,436
On the last place, I had a blackbuck doe walk up behind the house while I was walking to the pickup. I think we both had the exact same look of shock on our faces. 'Never saw any other black buck, and we owned it for over 20 years. They supposedly breed like rabbits, but they don't expand like axis. 'Guess it's 'cause they won't jump low fences.


...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: fishdfly] #8314988 07/07/21 09:57 PM
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 238
Texas452 Online Content OP
Woodsman
OP Online Content
Woodsman
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 238
Originally Posted by fishdfly
Which part of the county are you in?

Saw a dead axis doe on Hwy 79 a couple of months ago between Buffalo and Oakwood.


Leon.
We aren’t shooting any of them

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8315026 07/07/21 10:24 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,674
D
don k Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
D
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,674
Be careful what you wish for.

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: don k] #8315056 07/07/21 10:40 PM
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 238
Texas452 Online Content OP
Woodsman
OP Online Content
Woodsman
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 238
Originally Posted by don k
Be careful what you wish for.



Very true.
When we hunted in Gillespie co we started seeing a few in the early 70’s.
The land owners all around wouldn’t let hunters shoot any until the early 80’s by then they were everywhere.
Sometimes you would see more axis than whitetail.
Not being allowed to shoot many and when you did it was an extra charge I would get tired of looking at them.

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Creekrunner] #8316453 07/09/21 03:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 13,231
Q
QuitShootinYoungBucks Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
Q
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 13,231
Originally Posted by Creekrunner
On the last place, I had a blackbuck doe walk up behind the house while I was walking to the pickup. I think we both had the exact same look of shock on our faces. 'Never saw any other black buck, and we owned it for over 20 years. They supposedly breed like rabbits, but they don't expand like axis. 'Guess it's 'cause they won't jump low fences.


I shot a blackbuck doe in Mills county back in the early 90s. No idea where she came from or how she got on our place. There was a game ranch about 6-7 miles (straightline) away but she'd have had to walk the country roads, which would have made it ~10 and several of our gates would have had to be open for her to get in that pasture. That's the only recorded exotic sighting in 44 years.


[Linked Image]

https://web.archive.org/web/20170223065011/http:/www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html
Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8316484 07/09/21 04:24 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 57,743
S
stxranchman Online Content
Obie Juan Kenobi
Online Content
Obie Juan Kenobi
S
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 57,743
I would shoot everyone of them on site if it were me. They can be as invasive and as destructive to habitat as hogs. If you like whitetails then they can be in direct competition with them. More of the exotics mean less whitetails when a whitetail has more of a limited homerange. Exotics can and will eat the ice-cream plants and then move miles to greener pastures. For me the worst exotics are aoudads and elk for Texas due to their size, herd size and their home range size. Some exotics are worse than others when it comes to offspring numbers...some have them year round and some have them in the spring. Some can have triplets as offspring while many have singles.


[Linked Image]
Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8316498 07/09/21 04:48 PM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 36,293
R
redchevy Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
R
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 36,293
After seeing how some things go with introduced species... im thinking hogs, tillapia, zebra muscles, and thinks like cichlids, peacock bass, snakeheads, iguanas, countless snakes etc. in florida etc. im not a big fan of bringing new stuff in.


It's hell eatin em live
Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8316747 07/09/21 09:59 PM
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 1,586
Y
yotehater Online Content
Pro Tracker
Online Content
Pro Tracker
Y
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 1,586
Shoot every one of them you see. Here's a short list of some invasives we are dealing with.

http://www.tsusinvasives.org/home/database/birds-mammals.html

Birds

Cattle Egret - Bubulcus ibis
Common Myna - Acridotheres tristis
Common Sparrow - Passer domesticus
Eurasian Collared Dove - Streptopelia decaocto
European Starling - Sturnus vulgaris
Monk Parrots - Myiopsitta monachus
Mute Swan - Cygnus olor
Rock Pigeon - Columba livia

Mammals

Axis deer - Axis axis
Barbary Sheep - Ammotragus lervia
European Rabbit - Oryctolagus cuniculus
Feral Pig - Sus scrofa
Gambian Rat - Cricetomys gambianus
Norway rat - Rattus norvegicus
Nutria - Myocastor coypus
Sika Deer - Cervus nippon
Small Indian Mongoose - Herpestes javanicus


One shot is all it should take.
Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8317546 07/10/21 11:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,103
K
kry226 Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
K
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,103
Yup, not a fan of free-range exotics. Anything that impacts our native whitetail and mule deer herds (or anything else for that matter) gets a thumbs down from me.

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8317583 07/11/21 12:48 AM
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,500
W
Walkabout Online Content
Pro Tracker
Online Content
Pro Tracker
W
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,500
Sounds logical in a forum but I have NEVER seen an extermination hunt for ANY exotic; quite the contrary.

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: yotehater] #8317717 07/11/21 03:55 AM
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 7,292
Double Naught Spy Online Happy
THF Trophy Hunter
Online Happy
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 7,292
Originally Posted by yotehater
Shoot every one of them you see. Here's a short list of some invasives we are dealing with.

http://www.tsusinvasives.org/home/database/birds-mammals.html

Birds

Cattle Egret - Bubulcus ibis
Common Myna - Acridotheres tristis
Common Sparrow - Passer domesticus
Eurasian Collared Dove - Streptopelia decaocto
European Starling - Sturnus vulgaris
Monk Parrots - Myiopsitta monachus
Mute Swan - Cygnus olor
Rock Pigeon - Columba livia

Mammals

Axis deer - Axis axis
Barbary Sheep - Ammotragus lervia
European Rabbit - Oryctolagus cuniculus
Feral Pig - Sus scrofa
Gambian Rat - Cricetomys gambianus
Norway rat - Rattus norvegicus
Nutria - Myocastor coypus
Sika Deer - Cervus nippon
Small Indian Mongoose - Herpestes javanicus



Unless the law has changed since March 2020, cattle egrets are protected under MBTA https://www.fws.gov/birds/management/managed-species/migratory-bird-treaty-act-protected-species.php You can get a special permit from the USDA to shoot them, but otherwise, they are covered under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. They are not an introduced species, but here naturally


Hogdalorian - Si vis pacem cum sus, para bellum.
My Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange
Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8317754 07/11/21 05:41 AM
Joined: Dec 2020
Posts: 273
S
Sewer rat Offline
Bird Dog
Offline
Bird Dog
S
Joined: Dec 2020
Posts: 273
What are the laws on exotics? I have always wondered if people can just buy them and turn them loose on their property or how that worked. If they get to a certain population where they are negatively impacting native species that is problem but I think it is cool to have a few weird species running around.

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8317797 07/11/21 12:35 PM
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,302
G
garyrapp55 Online Content
Veteran Tracker
Online Content
Veteran Tracker
G
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,302
This is concerning as my place is on the Leon-Freestone line near Oakwood. I will certain very with TPWD but give me the Cliff Notes. Can I shoot exotics year round like I do hogs? Hogs are more than enough, I don't want our whitetail competing any more.

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8317813 07/11/21 01:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 23,998
T
TXHOGSLAYER Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
T
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 23,998
Yes, any non native species is fair game, no season, no bag limits, no restriction of methods.


5303

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8317986 07/11/21 04:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,302
G
garyrapp55 Online Content
Veteran Tracker
Online Content
Veteran Tracker
G
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,302
Thanks

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: TXHOGSLAYER] #8317990 07/11/21 04:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,203
H
huntindude Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
H
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,203
Originally Posted by TXHOGSLAYER
Yes, any non native species is fair game, no season, no bag limits, no restriction of methods.

What about pheasant?

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8318187 07/11/21 09:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,103
K
kry226 Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
K
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,103
Pheasant has a season in those counties with huntable populations.

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8318475 07/12/21 03:46 AM
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 7,292
Double Naught Spy Online Happy
THF Trophy Hunter
Online Happy
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 7,292
Originally Posted by kry226
Pheasant has a season in those counties with huntable populations.


Right, but it is a non-native species and the claim was made that any non-native species is fair game, no season, no bag limits, no restriction of methods. So obviously, the claim isn't totally accurate just like it isn't for cattle egrets. The claim is mostly accurate, but there are some exceptions, particularly with birds, that can get you into some trouble.


Hogdalorian - Si vis pacem cum sus, para bellum.
My Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange
Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Double Naught Spy] #8319441 07/13/21 11:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,103
K
kry226 Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
K
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,103
Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy
Originally Posted by kry226
Pheasant has a season in those counties with huntable populations.


Right, but it is a non-native species and the claim was made that any non-native species is fair game, no season, no bag limits, no restriction of methods. So obviously, the claim isn't totally accurate just like it isn't for cattle egrets. The claim is mostly accurate, but there are some exceptions, particularly with birds, that can get you into some trouble.


True. I think it depends on what the department defines as a game animal, and obviously, that's not 100% along the non-native lines like you stated.

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: huntindude] #8319817 07/13/21 05:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 23,998
T
TXHOGSLAYER Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
T
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 23,998
Originally Posted by huntindude
Originally Posted by TXHOGSLAYER
Yes, any non native species is fair game, no season, no bag limits, no restriction of methods.

What about pheasant?


I wasn’t aware that Pheasant were non native. Please forgive me. I am sorry that I ruined your whole day. roflmao


5303

Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8319892 07/13/21 06:59 PM
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 1,586
Y
yotehater Online Content
Pro Tracker
Online Content
Pro Tracker
Y
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 1,586
Just because cattle ingrates are protected doesn't mean they aren't invasive.

http://www.tsusinvasives.org/home/database/bubulcus-ibis
Cattle Egret
Native Origin: Africa, Spain, Portugal, India and Southeast Asia

Current Location
U.S. Habitat: Pastures, ploughed fields and marshes; thrive in altered habitats.
U.S. Present: All states; but breeding populations in AL, AR, CA, GA, KS, KY, MS, OK, NC, PR, SC, TN, TX and VA


One shot is all it should take.
Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: Texas452] #8319922 07/13/21 07:20 PM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,343
F
freerange Online Content
Veteran Tracker
Online Content
Veteran Tracker
F
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,343
I know some people like having exotics around and I can completely understand. Personally, I dont like them around if they compete with WT, which many do. My BIL and sister have their own place outa Sonora(sectionish) and when they got it 15 years ago the biologist advised trying to shoot all you could because of the competition with WT. I think it was/is mostly Axis. They are completely overrun with them now and it has to be a big detriment to WT.


Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
Re: Exotics hope they get started. [Re: freerange] #8319976 07/13/21 08:18 PM
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 6,716
I
ILUVBIGBUCKS Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
I
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 6,716
Originally Posted by freerange
I know some people like having exotics around and I can completely understand. Personally, I dont like them around if they compete with WT, which many do. My BIL and sister have their own place outa Sonora(sectionish) and when they got it 15 years ago the biologist advised trying to shoot all you could because of the competition with WT. I think it was/is mostly Axis. They are completely overrun with them now and it has to be a big detriment to WT.

No doubt about it freerange. Most of them do compete against the WT for food source for sure.
But, I do love Axis as well and if I had a place would love having a nice sized huntable herd of them.
Meh.......what a few thousand more a year in protein and cottonseed anyway?! lol

IMHO there is nothing more beautiful than a WT buck but there are also very, very few game animals any more tasty than an axis. lol


High fence, low fence, no fence, it really doesn't matter as long as you're hunting!
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 2004-2019 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3