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 Cool snake- Western Massasauga
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06/19/21 10:10 PM
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Revoman
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I caught this snake in my backyard NE of Abilene Thursday morning right before I mowed. When I caught it with my tongs I knew it was way different from other rattlesnakes I’ve messed with. I put it in a tub and went on about my mowing. I finally looked it up and it’s a Western Massasauga. It was released back in my east field later in the day. ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2021/06/full-25709-299038-320893c9_8e81_4074_ab1e_9bd2be6c0366.jpeg)
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/19/21 10:12 PM
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Ol Thumper
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That’s a very pretty and unusual looking snake. I’ve never heard of it before, pretty cool and thanks for sharing that pic 
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/19/21 10:28 PM
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Stub
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Wow that is a cool looking rattler, great job releasing it
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/19/21 10:31 PM
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TEXASLEFTY
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Never been to a camping world. I prefer Dick's to be honest.
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/19/21 10:41 PM
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colt45-90
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have heard of never seen, great job and letting do its thing
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/19/21 11:21 PM
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SnakeWrangler
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I believe in science and I’m an insufferable [censored] Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
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06/19/21 11:24 PM
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/19/21 11:49 PM
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Isn’t the venom a different type of toxin than a western diamondback?
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/19/21 11:55 PM
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Pure greatness. Thanks a bunch for posting. 
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/20/21 12:11 AM
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Never seen one before. Pretty cool looking.
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
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06/20/21 12:22 AM
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I have never heard of this snake.
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/20/21 12:52 AM
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I believe USFWS will be listing them as threatened soon!
That is an awesome encounter!
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/20/21 02:40 AM
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Wow, beautiful snake. I’ve always wanted to find a rattlesnake in Texas that wasn’t a western diamondback, just because.
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: 68rustbucket]
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06/20/21 02:46 AM
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Isn’t the venom a different type of toxin than a western diamondback? Yes. Actually more toxic than a diamondback but the amount it injects is much less than the diamondback so a bite is usually not as serious as a bite from a diamondback . Massasaugas are the only venomous snake we have in Ontario and they are rare. OP - great find
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/20/21 02:49 AM
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First I’ve ever heard of, never seen one till now thanks for sharing !
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
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06/20/21 03:47 AM
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Pure greatness. Thanks a bunch for posting. I have never heard of this snake. Both post counters had not a clue what it was. That is pretty freaking cool.
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Revoman]
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06/20/21 03:51 AM
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: 68rustbucket]
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06/20/21 04:21 AM
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Isn’t the venom a different type of toxin than a western diamondback? You're thinking of the Mojave Rattler, it contains both a neurotoxin and a hemotoxin. The Western Diamondback and the Massasuga carry a hemotoxin.
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Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
[Re: Hirogen]
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06/20/21 04:25 AM
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flintknapper
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Isn’t the venom a different type of toxin than a western diamondback? Yes. Actually more toxic than a diamondback but the amount it injects is much less than the diamondback so a bite is usually not as serious as a bite from a diamondback . Massasaugas are the only venomous snake we have in Ontario and they are rare. OP - great find Not actually a 'different' type of toxin, both are hemotoxins, but the potency can be different. Very cool snake. Lucky find for the OP...as the Western Massasauga is not a very heat tolerant rattlesnake and spends a lot of time burrowed in the day, this time of year. Glad to see the OP relocated the reptile instead of killing it.
Spartans ask not...how many, but where!
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
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06/20/21 04:28 AM
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HWY_MAN
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Isn’t the venom a different type of toxin than a western diamondback? Yes. Actually more toxic than a diamondback but the amount it injects is much less than the diamondback so a bite is usually not as serious as a bite from a diamondback . Massasaugas are the only venomous snake we have in Ontario and they are rare. OP - great find Not actually a 'different' type of toxin, both are hemotoxins, but the potency can be different. Very cool snake. Lucky find for the OP...as the Western Massasauga is not a very heat tolerant rattlesnake and spends a lot of time burrowed in the day, this time of year. Glad to see the OP relocated the reptile instead of killing it. When i first seen the pic the other day I asked if they'd had any hay delivered from up nth, that's a rare find this far in the southwest.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
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06/20/21 04:31 AM
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Massasaugas don't get real big, we've had one collected in MN, but they're pretty common in Wisconsin.
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
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06/20/21 04:37 AM
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flintknapper
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Isn’t the venom a different type of toxin than a western diamondback? You're thinking of the Mojave Rattler, it contains both a neurotoxin and a hemotoxin. The Western Diamondback and the Massasuga carry a hemotoxin. This is correct. And the toxicity level of the Mojave's neurotoxin venom has been shown to vary wildly from one location to another.
Spartans ask not...how many, but where!
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
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06/20/21 04:40 AM
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I have never heard of this snake. Many folks would be surprised to know we have 10 species of Rattlesnake in Texas. Only Arizona has more with 13 I believe.
Spartans ask not...how many, but where!
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
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06/20/21 11:28 AM
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"You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas".
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Re: Cool snake- Western Massasauga
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06/20/21 11:39 AM
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Neat looking snake, never seen before.
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