Still not a good rifle? I found one at Scheels yesterday that I would love to own, but I know they had accuracy issues and didn’t seem to make the speed they should for caliber

I don't know but why not build a custom? Get exactly what you want and you can count on the accuracy. What caliber?

The only one I would recommend anyone buy is proof of how tight it shoots, and what speeds it made.

Trusting their name only, is a no go for me.

I’m with Tim on this, spend on what’s proven to be accurate, even more so than most of the purdy high dollar stuff.

I called 7 smiths last week 6-14 months

I bought a Christensen Arms Mesa in .300WM recently. It's frickin' amazing.

I’ve only had experience with two neither owned by me. Watching the 28nosler and 7-08 both shot very well. The 28 got sold because owner wanted a faster twist then 1-9. But it was still a 1/2
MOA Gun

I think fierce has done a better job with providing more relevant barrel twist for the BC chasers.

This ^^^^ and I don’t think it can be built for $1999. Trigger Tech, CF barrel, any after market action, CF stock. When I look at those parts I come out to over $1999 and that’s doesn’t include the gun smith work

Their customer service is top notch. I bought a new Chistensen Arms Ranger .22 with a super low serial number right after they were released. Failure to feed, failure to extract and failure to eject. I sent it back and got the repaired rifle with a very detailed list of what work they performed on it. It's now flawless and shoots 1/2 MOA with almost any target ammo at 50 yards. I got it as a squirrel gun and ended up sighting it in with Mini Mags, which aren't exactly known for incredible accuracy, and it shoots .600 5 shot groups at 50 yards with them. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another product from them, but I would make sure it's not a very early model, of a brand new design.

Paying that gunsmith gets you from "maybe it'll shoot well", to with the right hand load it is a legit 1/4 MOA rifle all the time.

Not all builders shoot the rifles before they send them. A lot of the semi custom do include a target. If you can’t get one to shoot they still fall under the same guarantee as the smith gives.

Machining has come along way. Pluses and minuses to both semi production custom and full ground up custom. No right or wrong just budget

Im all for custom builds to get exactly what you want, but there are incredibly few gunsmiths who guarantee "1/4 MOA all the time" (even with well done load work up), and few shooters who are capable of pushing a rifle to that level

There are options you are clearly not aware of.

The objective is to make the equipment do it. If the new owner cannot, he needs to work on that.

BigPig, what caliber are you looking at?

I’m aware of a lot of options, like I said if your get a guarantee, then comes down to budget which means options. You want to argue about triggers makes or action/clones or barrel mfg cool have fun with out me. My statement still stands a guarantee is a guarantee, rest is just budget ability.

I’ve seen 3 Christian rifles have pressure issues with factory loaded ammo, I have also not seen one make a 1 moa 5 shot group yet. The dual ejectors are not needed. They look cool, that’s it. If I could suggest something north of $2000 price range, I’d definitely recommend someone like Alamo.

If you gotta have a carbon barrel, I’d personally pick a new Bartlein.

6.5 PRC, or 28 Nosler...

Fierce has a few that show in stock.

Fierce inventory

I would recommend going by Rays Sporting Goods in Dallas and checking out what they carry. Christiansen, Fierce, Proof Research, Alamo, Seekins, and others you can compare side by side. Springfield has a new rifle out called the Waypoint that looks good. Friend bought a Proof from Rays and he likes it.

The guarantee of the shooting has a whole lot to do with the ammo. Every component kept consistent, seating depth for a specific chamber produced, the perfect powder charge found for that specific rifle. That's how the rifle can show what it can truly do. It won't do it with mass produced ammo. I have performed that process for mostly mass produced rifles.

Just for discussion purposes, let's take a look at how the folks at Weatherby describe their shooting accuracy guarantee...

All Weatherby® Mark V​® rifles with a serial number prefix of “WY, PM and PS” and Vanguard​® ​Series 2 ​rifles with a serial number prefix of “VB​” are guaranteed to shoot a .99″ or better 3-shot group at 100 yards from a cold barrel when used with premium (non-Weatherby calibers) or Weatherby factory ammunition. Together, the Weatherby system (premium ammunition and rifle) forms the flattest shooting, hardest hitting, most accurate combination in the industry today.

IMO, their use of the word "premium" to describe the ammo required to achieve the guaranteed accuracy is subjective and leaves them an out. Still, all things considered, one might argue that most factory rifles can achieve the accuracy stated in another gun maker's guarantee through reloading, or by simple trial and error with factory ammo. If that's the case, perhaps the folks at Weatherby simply word their guarantee in such a way that it follows that approach and yet can still be seen by the potential buyer as an advantage.

This discussion has ZERO to do with Weatherby and their guarantee.

After reading the Christiansen accuracy guarantee and comparing it to that offered by Weatherby, perhaps it's not following the recommended break-in process that creates the so-called accuracy issues noted in the OP.

All of our firearms are backed by an accuracy guarantee. The customer is responsible for following our barrel break-in process, using high quality match-grade ammunition, and maintaining proper use conditions. Our Mesa, Ridgeline, Modern Precision Rifle, Classic, ELR, BA Tactical, CA-10, and CA-15 model rifles are guaranteed to shoot Sub-MOA or better. Our TFM and Summit TI rifles are guaranteed to shoot ½ MOA or better in most calibers. Select larger calibers are backed by a Sub-MOA guarantee.



I'm sure that given enough time to discover the most compatible factory ammo or create the best reload, just about any Christiansen rifle will be found capable to meet or exceed the stated accuracy guarantee.

The Springfield Waypoint with CF barrel and adjustable CF stock was what I really wanted to see. I may run by Bobs this week