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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
[Re: J.G.]
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06/09/21 02:11 AM
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scottfromdallas
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I voted yes. I wouldn't worry about the TMKs but I'd be on the fence with SMKs. I know the the TMK will open. I don't push bullets too fast so I'm not worried about them blowing up.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 02:21 AM
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I would like to have some ballistic gel. See what I see with fast SMKs, and moderate speed SMKs.
Also, what if the meplate was cut back a bit, making it a slightly larger hole, like a hollow point?
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 02:35 AM
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Regular smk’s work well for deer, no such thing as too dead! I’d use them with total confidence, what’s the difference in a accubond and a tmk, I bet not much. Id bet there's a big difference. One is a bonded bullet, the other is a thin jacketed match bullef. They will perform differently. That doesn't mean that the SMK won't work, but they are definitely different.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 02:42 AM
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An older discussion where others weighed in on it. I remembered that Jeffbird had commented a bit on them in the past and used SMK in the 308 quite a bit. https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/6456383
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 10:56 AM
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I've killed a few pigs with 168smk 7mm bullets going moderate speeds. They weren't as reliable in terminal effects as my go to amax/eld load. That being said dead was dead but not ideal. I've heard the tmk works similar to other tipped bullets of the cup and core design.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 01:10 PM
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Regular smk’s work well for deer, no such thing as too dead! I’d use them with total confidence, what’s the difference in a accubond and a tmk, I bet not much. Id bet there's a big difference. One is a bonded bullet, the other is a thin jacketed match bullef. They will perform differently. That doesn't mean that the SMK won't work, but they are definitely different. From what I have seen it would be the opposite.....the Sierra Match bullets have a tougher thicker jacket than most hunting cup and core bullets especially when compared up front. There is reason why Sierra put a warning in their manual not to use for hunting as they may be unreliable although most read that with skepticism.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 01:35 PM
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Regular smk’s work well for deer, no such thing as too dead! I’d use them with total confidence, what’s the difference in a accubond and a tmk, I bet not much. Id bet there's a big difference. One is a bonded bullet, the other is a thin jacketed match bullef. They will perform differently. That doesn't mean that the SMK won't work, but they are definitely different. From what I have seen it would be the opposite.....the Sierra Match bullets have a tougher thicker jacket than most hunting cup and core bullets especially when compared up front. There is reason why Sierra put a warning in their manual not to use for hunting as they may be unreliable although most read that with skepticism. This has been my experience with smk’s they don’t explode like a amax unless you hit hard big bone.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 03:13 PM
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Regular smk’s work well for deer, no such thing as too dead! I’d use them with total confidence, what’s the difference in a accubond and a tmk, I bet not much. Id bet there's a big difference. One is a bonded bullet, the other is a thin jacketed match bullef. They will perform differently. That doesn't mean that the SMK won't work, but they are definitely different. From what I have seen it would be the opposite.....the Sierra Match bullets have a tougher thicker jacket than most hunting cup and core bullets especially when compared up front. There is reason why Sierra put a warning in their manual not to use for hunting as they may be unreliable although most read that with skepticism. Fair enough. I'm not very familiar with the SMK. I am familiar with the accubond. As you pointed out, they will still perform differently.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 03:15 PM
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Ive shot several pigs and a few deer with 175 smk out of a 308. My limited experience, I will continue using them without hesitation.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 07:04 PM
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That's not exactly my idea of good bullet performance.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 07:24 PM
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Too many good bullets designed to work on game. Why use one that is not designed for that purpose? Just one man's opinion... Because those other "good bullets" are not available. Several SMKs are available. I look for loading components multiple times per day, every day. We have been in the worst scenario I have ever seen for the last 18 months. I am not saying prices are higher, I am saying the bullets read "out of stock" day in, day out, through a multitude of suppliers, both retail and wholesale. Point well taken. Fortunately, I have plenty of "good bullets"...now primers, that's a different problem!
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 07:38 PM
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What the current poll results at? I don't wanna vote because I ain't got no use or experience hunting with either bullet.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 08:08 PM
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That's not exactly my idea of good bullet performance. Your idea doesn’t mean much. The animals die, I go home with a cooler full of meat. This coming from experience, not what I read on the internet.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 08:13 PM
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What the current poll results at? I don't wanna vote because I ain't got no use or experience hunting with either bullet. 22 - yes 17 - no
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 08:18 PM
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If I had no other choice I’d send the kitchen sink at them and worry about the after effects later. Maybe they mover farther than 10:yards but dead is dead in my book.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 08:39 PM
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In a 308 I have used 168 SMK, not tipped, on two hogs. 20 and 30 yards. Both didn’t take a step, broadside shoulder shot, bullets exited
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 09:01 PM
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That's not exactly my idea of good bullet performance. Your idea doesn’t mean much. The animals die, I go home with a cooler full of meat. This coming from experience, not what I read on the internet. Right. Amazing what two tennis ball size holes in animals will do, in light of the fact that the only bone encountered appears to be ribs, which aren't exactly tough. Good bullets don't act like that, in spite of all your "experience". This guy took home meat too. Do you call that good bullet performance?
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 10:20 PM
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Animal is dead and he recovered it, that’s usually the intent when you pull the trigger, so yes the bullet performed. “This guy”, is that you? What caliber and bullet was he using? What experience do you have with the SMK on an animal? Or you just throwing around what happened to someone you know or someone on the internet? By the way, that’s the exit wound on the picture I posted.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 10:48 PM
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I've hit a few with my truck that weren't as torn up as these recent pics. But hey, dead is dead, right?
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/09/21 11:24 PM
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Maybe I’ll start tranquilizing them and putting a pillow over their face. Shoot whatever you want and say whatever you want, it ain’t gonna change my mind. The 175 out of my 308 is proven.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/10/21 01:30 AM
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I would like to have some ballistic gel. See what I see with fast SMKs, and moderate speed SMKs.
Also, what if the meplate was cut back a bit, making it a slightly larger hole, like a hollow point? I have no idea, probably would work. I think a lot of those HP match bullets are more likely too tumble and cause a lot of damage vs traditional expansion. I know Berger Hunting are designed to expand by the nose crushing after 3-4 inches of penetration causing fragmentation but it's a pretty unique design. Any match bullet with tip, I'd likely use on deer & hog at moderate speeds.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/10/21 02:01 AM
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Animal is dead and he recovered it, that’s usually the intent when you pull the trigger, so yes the bullet performed. “This guy”, is that you? What caliber and bullet was he using? What experience do you have with the SMK on an animal? Or you just throwing around what happened to someone you know or someone on the internet? By the way, that’s the exit wound on the picture I posted. It's quite obvious they are exit wounds, and no, it was not me. I don't use SMK's on deer sized game due to the reasons r reflected in your photos, which is piss poor bullet performance when shooting through rib bones.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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So debating something you have no firsthand experience in. Alright. Still didn’t answer caliber and bullet question, but I can see where this is headed. Y’all have a good one.
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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Maybe I’ll start tranquilizing them and putting a pillow over their face. This made me LOL! That's funny
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Re: Sierra Match King and Tipped Match King for hunting.
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06/12/21 12:48 PM
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Currently load both 165 SGK and 168 SMK for their respective purposes, but would also like to consolidate to one loading for both. Considered the Hornady A-Max as I run them in the Grendel for hunting with good results, but the Sierras are outstanding in my Sig and you can generally still find them in stock. Found this write up on the TMK on the Guns and Ammo site. Makes it sound like they are similar to the A-Max.
After 2½ years of development, Sierra unveiled the Tipped MatchKing (TMK) bullet in 2014. Whereas the SMK was a jacketed hollowpoint, Sierra installed a green-colored acetal resin tip to enhance BC, reducing drag. Merging characteristics of a match bullet and a game bullet, Sierra thickened the copper alloy jacket for controlled expansion, but made it thin at the mouth and thick on the base. Like the SMK, the TMK features uniform wall thickness, lead alloy cores and consistent weight. As the TMK mushrooms, it peels and stops. Six bullet types in .224 and .308 caliber appeared in early 2015 that allowed handloaders to experience the BC of a heavier bullet in a lighter projectile that could be pushed faster. Most of the BC gains were achieved in reshaping the ogives seen on legacy SMK bullets. The plastic point on the tip is smaller than the meplat on the SMK. Though not supplanting the SMK, the TMK has earned its own respect among long-range shooters.
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