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snake ID #8260947 05/09/21 02:52 PM
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Baby Diamondback Rattlesnake?

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Got ran over by a bus ?

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It was in a hotel parking lot - only about 6-7 inches long.

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Bull snake

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Can't tell without a good look of it pupils. Poisones snakes have silts for pupils. I generally never get that close.


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I have him soaking in some tequila, so will take a closer look tomorrow.

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Looks like a bull snake

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definitely a bull snake, used to catch them when I was kid, some have nasty dispositions. good rat killers


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Originally Posted by bill oxner

Can't tell without a good look of it pupils. Poisones snakes have silts for pupils. I generally never get that close.


'Venomous'. And that would only hold 'generally' true of the Three indigenous Pit Vipers in the United States. It does not hold true for the Coral Snake (which has round pupils). Even the pit vipers could on occasion have an anomaly and have rounded or mostly rounded pupils. But using elliptical pupils alone for distinguishing venomous from non venomous snakes....might cause you problems. So there are others things to look for.

The Copperhead, Rattlesnake and Moccasin all have prominent 'pits' in front of the eyes (almost look like nostrils). All of these (and their various species) are venomous. The coral snake however does not have either pits or elliptical pupils, but obviously is venomous.

A common snake in some places in Florida (not indigenous but in good numbers) are the Python and Boas both of which have elliptical pupils but are not venomous.

A not so well known feature of the indigenous venomous snakes in the U.S. is the scale count on the underbelly (past the anal vent).

Venomous snakes (of the U.S.) will have a single row of scales (past the anal vent) Non-Venomous will have two rows.

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Yep, looks like a squished baby Bull Snake to me.

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Originally Posted by colt45
definitely a bull snake, used to catch them when I was kid, some have nasty dispositions. good rat killers

I agree about it being a baby bull snake.

And they dang sure can be a bit nasty and do kill the heck out of mice/rats.
I had a big one that lived in my tractor barn for a couple years and more than a few times he skeert the piss outta me. lol


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I said I wouldn't ID here anymore, but I'll make an exception for you, JP. That's a juvenile plainbellied water snake (nerodia erythrogaster). Also, flintknapper ID'd one as a juvenile rat snake the other day, and it was actually a prairie kingsnake (lamproprltis calligaster). Been driving me crazy.

If you want to make a sticky for snake IDs, I'd use all my resources to make sure they were identified correctly. Professional herpetologists and all.

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Originally Posted by ImTheReasonDovesMourn
I said I wouldn't ID here anymore, but I'll make an exception for you, JP. That's a juvenile plainbellied water snake (nerodia erythrogaster). Also, flintknapper ID'd one as a juvenile rat snake the other day, and it was actually a prairie kingsnake (lamproprltis calligaster). Been driving me crazy.

If you want to make a sticky for snake IDs, I'd use all my resources to make sure they were identified correctly. Professional herpetologists and all.


That would take all the fun out of it.


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Originally Posted by ImTheReasonDovesMourn
I said I wouldn't ID here anymore, but I'll make an exception for you, JP. That's a juvenile plainbellied water snake (nerodia erythrogaster). Also, flintknapper ID'd one as a juvenile rat snake the other day, and it was actually a prairie kingsnake (lamproprltis calligaster). Been driving me crazy.
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You have a link to that? I don't remember doing that or for that matter I.D.ing any snake recently except for a Buttermilk Racer unless you'd like to challenge that too.


Maybe the post below is what you were referring to and that's a Rat Snake all day long. The most common snake on my property and probably in all of East Texas.


https://texashuntingforum.com/forum...ke/Search/true/snakes-moving#Post8235472


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_rat_snake

https://www.inaturalist.org/guide_taxa/776606


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Amending/Correcting a post of mine above.

I contacted a professional Herpetologist I know and his impression is that the snake in question IS a Prairie Kingsnake and cited his reason for it.

So in the interest of being accurate....I wanted to state that and concede that the guy with the really long name was indeed correct.

The answer I received:


"My initial impression is that it is a prairie kingsnake from looking at the pattern of blotches. There is a lot of variability in coloration and patterning in both species of snakes and that can be confusing at times. One separating difference between the rat snake and kingsnake is with the scales. Scales on the upper body of the kingsnake will be smooth, on the rat snake each scale will have a small central keel. This is a definite way to separate the snakes."[i][/i]

My reply:

Good enough, Thank You Sir.

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Originally Posted by ImTheReasonDovesMourn
I said I wouldn't ID here anymore, but I'll make an exception for you, JP. That's a juvenile plainbellied water snake (nerodia erythrogaster). Also, flintknapper ID'd one as a juvenile rat snake the other day, and it was actually a prairie kingsnake (lamproprltis calligaster). Been driving me crazy.

If you want to make a sticky for snake IDs, I'd use all my resources to make sure they were identified correctly. Professional herpetologists and all.

Correct answer here.

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Originally Posted by flintknapper
Amending/Correcting a post of mine above.

I contacted a professional Herpetologist I know and his impression is that the snake in question IS a Prairie Kingsnake and cited his reason for it.

So in the interest of being accurate....I wanted to state that and concede that the guy with the really long name was indeed correct.

The answer I received:


"My initial impression is that it is a prairie kingsnake from looking at the pattern of blotches. There is a lot of variability in coloration and patterning in both species of snakes and that can be confusing at times. One separating difference between the rat snake and kingsnake is with the scales. Scales on the upper body of the kingsnake will be smooth, on the rat snake each scale will have a small central keel. This is a definite way to separate the snakes."[i][/i]

My reply:

Good enough, Thank You Sir.

You're a good man Flintknapper!
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Originally Posted by bobcat1
Originally Posted by flintknapper
Amending/Correcting a post of mine above.

I contacted a professional Herpetologist I know and his impression is that the snake in question IS a Prairie Kingsnake and cited his reason for it.

So in the interest of being accurate....I wanted to state that and concede that the guy with the really long name was indeed correct.

The answer I received:


"My initial impression is that it is a prairie kingsnake from looking at the pattern of blotches. There is a lot of variability in coloration and patterning in both species of snakes and that can be confusing at times. One separating difference between the rat snake and kingsnake is with the scales. Scales on the upper body of the kingsnake will be smooth, on the rat snake each scale will have a small central keel. This is a definite way to separate the snakes."[i][/i]

My reply:

Good enough, Thank You Sir.

You're a good man Flintknapper!
cheers


Some would argue that. But I am an honest person and if I've made a mistake (and know about it) I will correct it.


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Originally Posted by flintknapper
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Originally Posted by flintknapper
Amending/Correcting a post of mine above.

I contacted a professional Herpetologist I know and his impression is that the snake in question IS a Prairie Kingsnake and cited his reason for it.

So in the interest of being accurate....I wanted to state that and concede that the guy with the really long name was indeed correct.

The answer I received:


"My initial impression is that it is a prairie kingsnake from looking at the pattern of blotches. There is a lot of variability in coloration and patterning in both species of snakes and that can be confusing at times. One separating difference between the rat snake and kingsnake is with the scales. Scales on the upper body of the kingsnake will be smooth, on the rat snake each scale will have a small central keel. This is a definite way to separate the snakes."[i][/i]

My reply:

Good enough, Thank You Sir.

You're a good man Flintknapper!
cheers


Some would argue that. But I am an honest person and if I've made a mistake (and know about it) I will correct it.




Same. cheers

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I would really appreciate and enjoy a permanent "snake ID" thread! That is a great idea.

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