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Grand Canyon Bison Hunts #8252232 04/29/21 08:43 PM
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Reading through this article I was all for throwing my name into the hat until I hit the part about packing it out on my back. Really? I've harvested these before. It is a ton of work using a flat bed truck or trailer and a winch. Even if you bring 3 or 4 buddies along it's still going to be a beating. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/grand-canyon-seeks-volunteers-kill-165029848.html


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Re: Grand Canyon Bison Hunts [Re: dkershen] #8252254 04/29/21 09:13 PM
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I'm putting my name in the hat.

Re: Grand Canyon Bison Hunts [Re: dkershen] #8252268 04/29/21 09:24 PM
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If I am not mistaken, this is a drastic step in the opposite direction from prior hunts in the Canyon though the details in this brief still leave a lot in question. On prior offerings, the “volunteer” could not keep any of the meat or hide. In this brief it simply says you can keep “some meat”. I would want full disclosure of what and how much I can keep before going on a work adventure such as this.

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Sounds great

Re: Grand Canyon Bison Hunts [Re: Theringworm] #8252755 04/30/21 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Theringworm
If I am not mistaken, this is a drastic step in the opposite direction from prior hunts in the Canyon though the details in this brief still leave a lot in question. On prior offerings, the “volunteer” could not keep any of the meat or hide. In this brief it simply says you can keep “some meat”. I would want full disclosure of what and how much I can keep before going on a work adventure such as this.


Below details are from the NPS.gov website, this is regarded as a "lethal removal" and not a hunt. You are correct in that it doesn't allow you to keep all of the meat.

What is the difference between a lethal removal and a hunt?
Removal is a fundamentally different activity than hunting. Key differences include: (a) During removal, the animals are destroyed primarily for management purposes; in hunting the animal is destroyed for recreational purposes. (b) Removal is conducted under controlled circumstances under the direction and supervision of the National Park Service; hunting is performed at the hunter’s discretion and with elements of “fair chase” present. (c) Removal does not allow the person who killed the animal to keep the entire animal; hunting does. (d) Conclusion: Simply put, removal serves a public purpose, while hunting serves both public and private purposes.

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Yea, I should have said “legal/lethal removal” not hunt, I misspoke. In their prior offering a couple of years ago you could not keep ANY meat or hides. It was all donated to the locals/tribes I know the difference between a hunt and a legal/lethal removal but others may not. Just want people to make sure they know what they are actually getting involved in and how much or how little your efforts will be rewarded. Thanks

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I believe it says you must remove the animal or parts on foot. That will be real fun !

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sounds fun, north rim of the canyon is beautiful and would be an interesting place to hunt

Re: Grand Canyon Bison Hunts [Re: dkershen] #8253072 04/30/21 06:03 PM
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As usual, there is a complete missed opportunity to raise funds and allow hunters to do the job instead of what they are proposing. Why not do a draw and let people actually “hunt”?

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Originally Posted by krmitchell
As usual, there is a complete missed opportunity to raise funds and allow hunters to do the job instead of what they are proposing. Why not do a draw and let people actually “hunt”?

Agreed. Silly rules. Just sell 200 Buff tags and allow the hunting public to happily solve the problem.


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Originally Posted by dkershen
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As usual, there is a complete missed opportunity to raise funds and allow hunters to do the job instead of what they are proposing. Why not do a draw and let people actually “hunt”?

Agreed. Silly rules. Just sell 200 Buff tags and allow the hunting public to happily solve the problem.


There is a public draw OFF NP tag already. Think it’s a 365 day tag

Best think we could do is dismantle NPS and give responsibility to the NF and give state management of wildlife.


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by dkershen
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As usual, there is a complete missed opportunity to raise funds and allow hunters to do the job instead of what they are proposing. Why not do a draw and let people actually “hunt”?

Agreed. Silly rules. Just sell 200 Buff tags and allow the hunting public to happily solve the problem.


There is a public draw OFF NP tag already. Think it’s a 365 day tag

Best think we could do is dismantle NPS and give responsibility to the NF and give state management of wildlife.


100% agree, Just talked to my brother who was very involved with AZFGD. They offered to manage that herd years ago and were told they had a handle on it. Absolute bunch of Bozo's (no offense BOBO).


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Originally Posted by dkershen
Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by dkershen
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As usual, there is a complete missed opportunity to raise funds and allow hunters to do the job instead of what they are proposing. Why not do a draw and let people actually “hunt”?

Agreed. Silly rules. Just sell 200 Buff tags and allow the hunting public to happily solve the problem.


There is a public draw OFF NP tag already. Think it’s a 365 day tag

Best think we could do is dismantle NPS and give responsibility to the NF and give state management of wildlife.


100% agree, Just talked to my brother who was very involved with AZFGD. They offered to manage that herd years ago and were told they had a handle on it. Absolute bunch of Bozo's (no offense BOBO).


No offense taken, over a million acres in Big Bind and Guadalupe that we should be able to hunt, at a minimum on a draw.

NPS utopian view is Trifling and flawed


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by dkershen
Originally Posted by krmitchell
As usual, there is a complete missed opportunity to raise funds and allow hunters to do the job instead of what they are proposing. Why not do a draw and let people actually “hunt”?

Agreed. Silly rules. Just sell 200 Buff tags and allow the hunting public to happily solve the problem.


There is a public draw OFF NP tag already. Think it’s a 365 day tag

Best think we could do is dismantle NPS and give responsibility to the NF and give state management of wildlife.

From what I read each shooter gets a designated 7 days to “hunt”. With only 12 hunters, each 7 days, no motorized help getting the animal only on foot, horse or mule do they really expect 200 animals to be removed.

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Originally Posted by Txhunter65
Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by dkershen
Originally Posted by krmitchell
As usual, there is a complete missed opportunity to raise funds and allow hunters to do the job instead of what they are proposing. Why not do a draw and let people actually “hunt”?

Agreed. Silly rules. Just sell 200 Buff tags and allow the hunting public to happily solve the problem.


There is a public draw OFF NP tag already. Think it’s a 365 day tag

Best think we could do is dismantle NPS and give responsibility to the NF and give state management of wildlife.

From what I read each shooter gets a designated 7 days to “hunt”. With only 12 hunters, each 7 days, no motorized help getting the animal only on foot, horse or mule do they really expect 200 animals to be removed.


If you have a decent pack string, it's not a huge chore. There are a lot of pack strings in that country.

I'd be renting mules out


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Originally Posted by dkershen
Reading through this article I was all for throwing my name into the hat until I hit the part about packing it out on my back. Really? I've harvested these before. It is a ton of work using a flat bed truck or trailer and a winch. Even if you bring 3 or 4 buddies along it's still going to be a beating. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/grand-canyon-seeks-volunteers-kill-165029848.html



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Originally Posted by Txhunter65
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Originally Posted by dkershen
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As usual, there is a complete missed opportunity to raise funds and allow hunters to do the job instead of what they are proposing. Why not do a draw and let people actually “hunt”?

Agreed. Silly rules. Just sell 200 Buff tags and allow the hunting public to happily solve the problem.


There is a public draw OFF NP tag already. Think it’s a 365 day tag

Best think we could do is dismantle NPS and give responsibility to the NF and give state management of wildlife.

From what I read each shooter gets a designated 7 days to “hunt”. With only 12 hunters, each 7 days, no motorized help getting the animal only on foot, horse or mule do they really expect 200 animals to be removed.



I read that they will not allow pack animals....has to be packed out on foot.


That would be the breaking point for me....I'll rent out the packing but I'm not gonna pack out a buffalo by myself piece by piece


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Also says you have to use non-lead ammo


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Pure twattery on NPS' part.


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I read that they will not allow pack animals....has to be packed out on foot.


That would be the breaking point for me....I'll rent out the packing but I'm not gonna pack out a buffalo by myself piece by piece

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This is what my initial post was getting at. I, and many others would highly consider throwing our name in the hat knowing we got to keep ALL the meat, hide etc. It might actually be worth the strenuous and difficult effort. But to do so for an “unknown amount in return”........ I got better things to do than this. No thanks.

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Originally Posted by Theringworm

I read that they will not allow pack animals....has to be packed out on foot.


That would be the breaking point for me....I'll rent out the packing but I'm not gonna pack out a buffalo by myself piece by piece



This is what my initial post was getting at. I, and many others would highly consider throwing our name in the hat knowing we got to keep ALL the meat, hide etc. It might actually be worth the strenuous and difficult effort. But to do so for an “unknown amount in return”........ I got better things to do than this. No thanks. [/quote]

I missed that, ya F’that. No pack animals is ignorant. Why wouldn’t you mirror atleast Wilderness rules
Sad deal really a lot of wasted meat


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I would be happy to donate majority of the meat, as long as I could keep some choice cuts for myself. I would certainly want to keep the hide and horns.

But just to shoot one, pack it out on foot and when done have to give up most if not all of the animal is asinine.


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After reading the requirements for the hunt, I am out.

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I put in for it. I grew up hunting elk out of a backpack in CO. I have helped pack out moose. I have been involved with 5 bison shot on ranches in WY and MT. The odds of being drawn are going to be long but one thing is for certain: In order to draw you have to put your name in the hat.


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