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the reason for police
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Let me preface this by saying I am in no way anti-police, or even neutral police, I am full blooded pro-police and pro-military/firefighter/emt/etc. These guys do work most people want nothing to do with, and they are underpaid, undervalued, and scrutinized if anything at all goes wrong on their job.
Another thread got me thinking, "What if we did lose the police force?"
What would that look like in the US if there was no police force. I am a believer the public needs some sort of peace-keeper or someone to help maintain the peace. In a very rudimentary manner, police are simply peace keepers. I know their job goes much deeper than that, but in the end the police serve the public, not the individual. I think most of us can agree to that concept. So without police, we would see a break down in the publics ability to maintain order and "peace" in the form of third world traffic, petty theft (see that already in places that choose not to prosecute petty theft), and other minor crimes against property and person.
But would we see the public become scared of personal harm or death? I don't think so. My reasoning would be the 2A. Just as in the "wild west" there would be a system of instant justice given for people who did people wrong, and those were carried out quickly and swiftly. I have a feeling the same would happen in todays world. We would see a bunch of self inflicted justice carried out and the population may be a little more at ease since justice would be dealt at the end of a barrel or with rope instead of with manipulated unfair trials and limp wristed liberal justice warriors.
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Re: the reason for police
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Re: the reason for police
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The police force won’t be eliminated. Even now crime is climbing in every location the police are being less supported. When things get bad enough, even Democrats will want more policing. What I would like to see is for some big city, Portland for example, to eliminate the police force. We need a test case on a city moving to anarchy, and what better city than Portland. Eliminating the police is some sort of left wing theory, so let’s let it happen somewhere and see what happens when theory becomes reality.
What concerns me is packing the Supreme Court to push it left. And I do believe that the end-plan, if it gets that far, is to eliminate the 2nd amendment and then ban guns of all types. Combine that with no policing and you can only imagine how bad things could get. So, hide grandpa’s old 97 Winchester pump.
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Yes,they tried banning guns in Australia with the gun buy-back. Robbery,murder took a big jump.
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The only way no policing works is if everyone has the SAME set of strong morals/values and everyone follows those morals/values. People today don't have those kind of values anymore and if you remove the police, things will instantly go to the strongest, most savage person rules. If you need a current example, look at the non-filtered reporting of what happened during the CHOP experiment in Seattle. The MSM tried to paint it as all sunshine and rainbows. At the end, even they couldn't hide what had really been going on.
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If the 2nd amendment was written just to include guns for hunting, why is there not an amendment to protect fishing poles?
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If we lost the police, martial law would be implemented and the Democrats will have total control of our country. It’s all part of the plan and no I am not a conspiracy nut.
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We use the systems we have because they have been established for hundreds or thousands of years. Everything else is just something for the media and political idiots to jabber about.
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Australia's prime minister at the time, John Howard, had taken office just six weeks earlier at the head of a center-right coalition. He quickly drew a very clear conclusion from the Port Arthur killing,that killed 35 innocent people: Australia had too many guns, and they were too easy to get.
It looks like he took a shot at it and was pretty successful in doing what he did.But parts of Australia is sparsely populated.
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I agree 100% To many people have turned away from God and there in lies the real problem. Throw in teachers as well being overworked, underpaid and undervalued.
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Let me preface this by saying I am in no way anti-police, or even neutral police, I am full blooded pro-police and pro-military/firefighter/emt/etc. These guys do work most people want nothing to do with, and they are underpaid, undervalued, and scrutinized if anything at all goes wrong on their job.
Another thread got me thinking, "What if we did lose the police force?"
What would that look like in the US if there was no police force. I am a believer the public needs some sort of peace-keeper or someone to help maintain the peace. In a very rudimentary manner, police are simply peace keepers. I know their job goes much deeper than that, but in the end the police serve the public, not the individual. I think most of us can agree to that concept. So without police, we would see a break down in the publics ability to maintain order and "peace" in the form of third world traffic, petty theft (see that already in places that choose not to prosecute petty theft), and other minor crimes against property and person.
But would we see the public become scared of personal harm or death? I don't think so. My reasoning would be the 2A. Just as in the "wild west" there would be a system of instant justice given for people who did people wrong, and those were carried out quickly and swiftly. I have a feeling the same would happen in todays world. We would see a bunch of self inflicted justice carried out and the population may be a little more at ease since justice would be dealt at the end of a barrel or with rope instead of with manipulated unfair trials and limp wristed liberal justice warriors.
Thoughts? oh my , this guys living in lala land.
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Let me preface this by saying I am in no way anti-police, or even neutral police, I am full blooded pro-police and pro-military/firefighter/emt/etc. These guys do work most people want nothing to do with, and they are underpaid, undervalued, and scrutinized if anything at all goes wrong on their job.
Another thread got me thinking, "What if we did lose the police force?"
What would that look like in the US if there was no police force. I am a believer the public needs some sort of peace-keeper or someone to help maintain the peace. In a very rudimentary manner, police are simply peace keepers. I know their job goes much deeper than that, but in the end the police serve the public, not the individual. I think most of us can agree to that concept. So without police, we would see a break down in the publics ability to maintain order and "peace" in the form of third world traffic, petty theft (see that already in places that choose not to prosecute petty theft), and other minor crimes against property and person.
But would we see the public become scared of personal harm or death? I don't think so. My reasoning would be the 2A. Just as in the "wild west" there would be a system of instant justice given for people who did people wrong, and those were carried out quickly and swiftly. I have a feeling the same would happen in todays world. We would see a bunch of self inflicted justice carried out and the population may be a little more at ease since justice would be dealt at the end of a barrel or with rope instead of with manipulated unfair trials and limp wristed liberal justice warriors.
Thoughts? oh my , this guys living in lala land. Has been since he started posting here.
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I agree 100% To many people have turned away from God and there in lies the real problem. Throw in teachers as well being overworked, underpaid and undervalued. What teacher did not know, it is a low paying profession and has been that way for years?
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Australia's prime minister at the time, John Howard, had taken office just six weeks earlier at the head of a center-right coalition. He quickly drew a very clear conclusion from the Port Arthur killing,that killed 35 innocent people: Australia had too many guns, and they were too easy to get.
It looks like he took a shot at it and was pretty successful in doing what he did.But parts of Australia is sparsely populated. What people conveniently fail to mention is that the Mental Health System was overhauled at the same time. A very high percentage of mass shooting are because the Mental Health System failed.
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Let me preface this by saying I am in no way anti-police, or even neutral police, I am full blooded pro-police and pro-military/firefighter/emt/etc. These guys do work most people want nothing to do with, and they are underpaid, undervalued, and scrutinized if anything at all goes wrong on their job.
Another thread got me thinking, "What if we did lose the police force?"
What would that look like in the US if there was no police force. I am a believer the public needs some sort of peace-keeper or someone to help maintain the peace. In a very rudimentary manner, police are simply peace keepers. I know their job goes much deeper than that, but in the end the police serve the public, not the individual. I think most of us can agree to that concept. So without police, we would see a break down in the publics ability to maintain order and "peace" in the form of third world traffic, petty theft (see that already in places that choose not to prosecute petty theft), and other minor crimes against property and person.
But would we see the public become scared of personal harm or death? I don't think so. My reasoning would be the 2A. Just as in the "wild west" there would be a system of instant justice given for people who did people wrong, and those were carried out quickly and swiftly. I have a feeling the same would happen in todays world. We would see a bunch of self inflicted justice carried out and the population may be a little more at ease since justice would be dealt at the end of a barrel or with rope instead of with manipulated unfair trials and limp wristed liberal justice warriors.
Thoughts? oh my , this guys living in lala land. Can't wait to hear your logical, well thought out approach that brought you to this conclusion.
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I agree 100% To many people have turned away from God and there in lies the real problem. Throw in teachers as well being overworked, underpaid and undervalued. What teacher did not know, it is a low paying profession and has been that way for years? My daughter is a teacher, and yes she knew it was a low paying profession, but that doesn’t make it right or excuse undervaluing what I consider to be a noble profession.
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What people conveniently fail to mention is that the Mental Health System was overhauled at the same time. A very high percentage of mass shooting are because the Mental Health System failed.[/quote]
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Let me preface this by saying I am in no way anti-police, or even neutral police, I am full blooded pro-police and pro-military/firefighter/emt/etc. These guys do work most people want nothing to do with, and they are underpaid, undervalued, and scrutinized if anything at all goes wrong on their job.
Another thread got me thinking, "What if we did lose the police force?"
What would that look like in the US if there was no police force. I am a believer the public needs some sort of peace-keeper or someone to help maintain the peace. In a very rudimentary manner, police are simply peace keepers. I know their job goes much deeper than that, but in the end the police serve the public, not the individual. I think most of us can agree to that concept. So without police, we would see a break down in the publics ability to maintain order and "peace" in the form of third world traffic, petty theft (see that already in places that choose not to prosecute petty theft), and other minor crimes against property and person.
But would we see the public become scared of personal harm or death? I don't think so. My reasoning would be the 2A. Just as in the "wild west" there would be a system of instant justice given for people who did people wrong, and those were carried out quickly and swiftly. I have a feeling the same would happen in todays world. We would see a bunch of self inflicted justice carried out and the population may be a little more at ease since justice would be dealt at the end of a barrel or with rope instead of with manipulated unfair trials and limp wristed liberal justice warriors.
Thoughts? oh my , this guys living in lala land. I have been pointing that out for months.....
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Let me preface this by saying I am in no way anti-police, or even neutral police, I am full blooded pro-police and pro-military/firefighter/emt/etc. These guys do work most people want nothing to do with, and they are underpaid, undervalued, and scrutinized if anything at all goes wrong on their job.
Another thread got me thinking, "What if we did lose the police force?"
What would that look like in the US if there was no police force. I am a believer the public needs some sort of peace-keeper or someone to help maintain the peace. In a very rudimentary manner, police are simply peace keepers. I know their job goes much deeper than that, but in the end the police serve the public, not the individual. I think most of us can agree to that concept. So without police, we would see a break down in the publics ability to maintain order and "peace" in the form of third world traffic, petty theft (see that already in places that choose not to prosecute petty theft), and other minor crimes against property and person.
But would we see the public become scared of personal harm or death? I don't think so. My reasoning would be the 2A. Just as in the "wild west" there would be a system of instant justice given for people who did people wrong, and those were carried out quickly and swiftly. I have a feeling the same would happen in todays world. We would see a bunch of self inflicted justice carried out and the population may be a little more at ease since justice would be dealt at the end of a barrel or with rope instead of with manipulated unfair trials and limp wristed liberal justice warriors.
Thoughts? If you read and listen closely you will see what the poster is really saying here, exactly 180 from what he said about supporting police.
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What would that look like in the US if there was no police force.
Probably a big ball of fire. Is there a country out there with no police? I do not see how you can function as governed nation without police to enforce the laws of the government.
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What would that look like in the US if there was no police force.
Probably a big ball of fire. Is there a country out there with no police? I do not see how you can function as governed nation without police to enforce the laws of the government. There are several countries without a police force. They are dictatorships and they have a military force to enforce their will and rules. North Korea, China, Cuba, Russia......to name a few of the better known countries without a police force.
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What would that look like in the US if there was no police force.
Probably a big ball of fire. Is there a country out there with no police? I do not see how you can function as governed nation without police to enforce the laws of the government. There are several countries without a police force. They are dictatorships and they have a military force to enforce their will and rules. North Korea, China, Cuba, Russia......to name a few of the better known countries without a police force. That is police to me, just federal vs state police. So if the question is what happens with no state police, then fed police take over.
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Louisiana Sen. Kennedy was just on the Tucker Carlson show. You should have heard what he said about some BS that AOC said about police. He said something like it "is hard to believe somebody reaches her age and believes such drivel." He lays out a number of other typical comical things that he is great at, and finishes by saying that "jellyfish have survived millions of years without a brain."
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Louisiana Sen. Kennedy was just on the Tucker Carlson show. You should have heard what he said about some BS that AOC said about police. He said something like it "is hard to believe somebody reaches her age and believes such drivel." He lays out a number of other typical comical things that he is great at, and finishes by saying that "jellyfish have survived millions of years without a brain." commies disguised as SJWs
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If we defund all police departments, and crime goes wild, then I suppose the government will say we need a National Police Department. And, of course, that would mean that no citizens need weapons of any type. Like I said, hide grandpa’s old Model 97 Winchester, just in case.
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Let me preface this by saying I am in no way anti-police, or even neutral police, I am full blooded pro-police and pro-military/firefighter/emt/etc. These guys do work most people want nothing to do with, and they are underpaid, undervalued, and scrutinized if anything at all goes wrong on their job.
Another thread got me thinking, "What if we did lose the police force?"
What would that look like in the US if there was no police force. I am a believer the public needs some sort of peace-keeper or someone to help maintain the peace. In a very rudimentary manner, police are simply peace keepers. I know their job goes much deeper than that, but in the end the police serve the public, not the individual. I think most of us can agree to that concept. So without police, we would see a break down in the publics ability to maintain order and "peace" in the form of third world traffic, petty theft (see that already in places that choose not to prosecute petty theft), and other minor crimes against property and person.
But would we see the public become scared of personal harm or death? I don't think so. My reasoning would be the 2A. Just as in the "wild west" there would be a system of instant justice given for people who did people wrong, and those were carried out quickly and swiftly. I have a feeling the same would happen in todays world. We would see a bunch of self inflicted justice carried out and the population may be a little more at ease since justice would be dealt at the end of a barrel or with rope instead of with manipulated unfair trials and limp wristed liberal justice warriors.
Thoughts? We just need to look back in history to answer that question, back when some states were still territory's. The town folk would get together and handle problems themselves, Vigilante justice was swift and brutal, your basic outlaw feared the vigilante justice far more than he did established law and order. There's a lot of tree's out there and a lot of problems left hanging from them. In reality I see something worse happening. We've seen a glimpse or two of it in the past and fixing to see it again in Minneapolis. a federal investigation into a police department. There's nothing the Federal Government and those on the left would like more than to Federalize all law enforcement in the US. This puts them at street level in every state and street in the US.
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Australia's prime minister at the time, John Howard, had taken office just six weeks earlier at the head of a center-right coalition. He quickly drew a very clear conclusion from the Port Arthur killing,that killed 35 innocent people: Australia had too many guns, and they were too easy to get.
It looks like he took a shot at it and was pretty successful in doing what he did.But parts of Australia is sparsely populated. What people conveniently fail to mention is that the Mental Health System was overhauled at the same time. A very high percentage of mass shooting are because the Mental Health System failed. This one I've been preaching for years, it's the 800 lb Gorilla.
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The Blue Line is the only thing stopping instant justice now. Heard an interview yesterday from a Chicago Officer who pretty much said the same thing. It's a double edged sword.
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I agree 100% To many people have turned away from God and there in lies the real problem. Throw in teachers as well being overworked, underpaid and undervalued. Sorry but I'm not putting teachers in the same category as law enforcement.
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Australia's prime minister at the time, John Howard, had taken office just six weeks earlier at the head of a center-right coalition. He quickly drew a very clear conclusion from the Port Arthur killing,that killed 35 innocent people: Australia had too many guns, and they were too easy to get.
It looks like he took a shot at it and was pretty successful in doing what he did.But parts of Australia is sparsely populated. What people conveniently fail to mention is that the Mental Health System was overhauled at the same time. A very high percentage of mass shooting are because the Mental Health System failed. This one I've been preaching for years, it's the 800 lb Gorilla. It’s easier and much more convenient to blame the gun rather than the nut wielding it.
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LAPD must curtail use of “less lethal” rounds, court says. A U.S. District Court judge in California granted a preliminary injunction to Black Lives Matter protesters who sued the police department for using projectiles against crowds during demonstrations on multiple occasions in the last year. More from The Trace: Experts told us last June that less lethal weapons can still kill and were likely to escalate conflict, and numerous protesters across the country have sued police for injuries related to the firing of the projectiles.
They just can't win.
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Let me preface this by saying I am in no way anti-police, or even neutral police, I am full blooded pro-police and pro-military/firefighter/emt/etc. These guys do work most people want nothing to do with, and they are underpaid, undervalued, and scrutinized if anything at all goes wrong on their job.
Another thread got me thinking, "What if we did lose the police force?"
What would that look like in the US if there was no police force. I am a believer the public needs some sort of peace-keeper or someone to help maintain the peace. In a very rudimentary manner, police are simply peace keepers. I know their job goes much deeper than that, but in the end the police serve the public, not the individual. I think most of us can agree to that concept. So without police, we would see a break down in the publics ability to maintain order and "peace" in the form of third world traffic, petty theft (see that already in places that choose not to prosecute petty theft), and other minor crimes against property and person.
But would we see the public become scared of personal harm or death? I don't think so. My reasoning would be the 2A. Just as in the "wild west" there would be a system of instant justice given for people who did people wrong, and those were carried out quickly and swiftly. I have a feeling the same would happen in todays world. We would see a bunch of self inflicted justice carried out and the population may be a little more at ease since justice would be dealt at the end of a barrel or with rope instead of with manipulated unfair trials and limp wristed liberal justice warriors.
Thoughts? There would definitely be some of that, but the big fly in the ointment is the fact our society as a whole doesn't have the spine to "take care of business" anymore. I think the people who did have the stones to do what needed to be done would be such a small percentage of the country that they would be looked at as the lunatic fringe of society. The vast majority of the country would be run by the criminals.
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Re: the reason for police
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The federalization of local law enforcement Just a small part of the article. National Unionization House Resolution 413 — the oddly-named Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act — has a stated purpose of extending collective bargaining rights to all first responders. Doug Stafford from the National Right to Work Committee believes this legislation has greater implications and grants the federal government “broad power to impose the terms and conditions of employment for ... public safety workers and local and state governments.”
Should this legislation become law, it’s unlikely that a newly-established national union would allow localities to lay off police officers. The result would be that localities would either have to raise taxes after federal funding ran out or ask for additional federal funding, creating a permanent dependency that will foster federal control over local policing practices.
Though a rapid transition to a federalized police force is unlikely here in America, an incremental shift to greater federal control is already occurring. These efforts will be difficult to forestall as Washington plays an increasingly intrusive role in local law enforcement. https://www.police1.com/patrol-issu...-local-law-enforcement-qTg3rQeVcDWOyAJL/
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Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: the reason for police
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I think the people who did have the stones to do what needed to be done would be such a small percentage of the country that they would be looked at as the lunatic fringe of society. Not much different than the American Revolution, only about 45% supported it and far less of them fought in it, many in this country took arms with the Brit's. Those with the stones won't be winning any popularity contests. Look at the percentage of Americans who join the military every year, it hovers at just over 1 percent. Some say only 3 percent of the colonies took part in the Revolution, I personally think that number is larger.
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Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: the reason for police
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Horse lover myself.
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Re: the reason for police
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Let me preface this by saying I am in no way anti-police, or even neutral police, I am full blooded pro-police and pro-military/firefighter/emt/etc. These guys do work most people want nothing to do with, and they are underpaid, undervalued, and scrutinized if anything at all goes wrong on their job.
Another thread got me thinking, "What if we did lose the police force?"
What would that look like in the US if there was no police force. I am a believer the public needs some sort of peace-keeper or someone to help maintain the peace. In a very rudimentary manner, police are simply peace keepers. I know their job goes much deeper than that, but in the end the police serve the public, not the individual. I think most of us can agree to that concept. So without police, we would see a break down in the publics ability to maintain order and "peace" in the form of third world traffic, petty theft (see that already in places that choose not to prosecute petty theft), and other minor crimes against property and person.
But would we see the public become scared of personal harm or death? I don't think so. My reasoning would be the 2A. Just as in the "wild west" there would be a system of instant justice given for people who did people wrong, and those were carried out quickly and swiftly. I have a feeling the same would happen in todays world. We would see a bunch of self inflicted justice carried out and the population may be a little more at ease since justice would be dealt at the end of a barrel or with rope instead of with manipulated unfair trials and limp wristed liberal justice warriors.
Thoughts? There would definitely be some of that, but the big fly in the ointment is the fact our society as a whole doesn't have the spine to "take care of business" anymore. I think the people who did have the stones to do what needed to be done would be such a small percentage of the country that they would be looked at as the lunatic fringe of society. The vast majority of the country would be run by the criminals. Yep, totally agree. It's easy and fun to think about hypothetical scenarios but it is totally different when you are facing it for real and there is no help coming.
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Re: the reason for police
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Good morning, Bulletin readers. A day after the guilty verdict in the Derek Chauvin trial, the U.S. attorney general launched a federal investigation in policing, previewing one of the Biden administration’s key reform goals. That story and more, in your Thursday roundup.— Tom Kutsch, newsletter editor WHAT TO KNOW TODAY
DOJ launches civil rights investigation into Minneapolis police misconduct. Such investigations were all but abandoned during the Trump administration, and last summer ex-AG Bill Barr declined to call for one in the aftermath of George Floyd’s murder. “Yesterday's verdict in the state criminal trial does not address potentially systemic policing issues in Minneapolis,” Attorney General Merrick Garland said in his announcement. The mayor and all but one member of the Minneapolis City Council released statements praising the probe. Looking forward: If a pattern and practice investigation reveals widespread systemic failures and abuses in policing, it can lead to a consent decree whereby the federal government and a local police department agree on a series of reforms. Garland last week overturned a Trump administration near-ban on consent decrees, which the Obama DOJ utilized on 14 occasions, including in Baltimore, Chicago, and Ferguson, Missouri.
Understanding the generational divide in community violence outreach. In a recent must-read interview, Marlon Peterson, a staunch critic of the criminal justice system, offers his vision of a reimagined public safety system. It’s a fascinating look at the progressive end of the police reform debate, but also offers a unique perspective on how community-led violence programs — and the people who run them — age. Peterson helped launch a New York chapter of Cure Violence, perhaps the most visible national intervention program in the U.S., which deploys outreach workers to de-escalate street conflicts: On the need to rebrand: “I also think Cure Violence has to be aware that it needs to be able to constantly rebrand itself. When I came home a decade ago, Cure Violence was cool. After a while, you just some old dudes, and it's not as effective. It doesn’t speak to what young people are dealing with now … That's another reason why violence interrupters need to be able to be moved up and out into other and bigger things.” Columbus leaders, advocates question need for fatal use of force against 16-year-old Ma’Khia Bryant. The teenager was involved in a violent encounter with other girls, leading to a 911 call about an attempted stabbing. A responding officer shot her four times within seconds of arriving on the scene. Officer body-worn camera video was released, but family members and other leaders are questioning the use of force. “We must push for a new culture in Columbus where guns are not the final answer to every threat,” read a statement from the city council president. “Was it necessary to shoot? Couldn’t officers have used another option to defuse and de-escalate?” said the president of the Columbus Urban League.
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Re: the reason for police
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04/22/21 01:57 PM
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Yep, totally agree. It's easy and fun to think about hypothetical scenarios but it is totally different when you are facing it for real and there is no help coming. Yep! Thinking you know what you'll do and having to find out what you'll do is two different stories.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: the reason for police
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I agree 100% To many people have turned away from God and there in lies the real problem. Throw in teachers as well being overworked, underpaid and undervalued. What teacher did not know, it is a low paying profession and has been that way for years? My daughter is a teacher, and yes she knew it was a low paying profession, but that doesn’t make it right or excuse undervaluing what I consider to be a noble profession. I graduated with several friends who became teachers. I have several family members who are teachers. I don't believe they are under paid at all. I don't think any of the ones i know feel under paid. Naturally if you wanted to pay them more for the same job they would take it. I know here on the THF we all make bank LOL but consulting statistics from the census bureau etc. teachers aren't so bad off. None of the ones I know work for a tiny school district in west/north/BFE Texas either though.
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If we are going to live our lives "like the old west" which I assume is based on movies since none of us are old enough to be from the "old west", you will be holding your life in the palm of your hand every time you have a confrontation with another individual. I dont want that, ive got a lot i want to live for. I dont want to have a traffic accident and have it settled by the fastest draw at 40 paces... but then again it would likely be great for population control.
Long live the popo.
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If we are going to live our lives "like the old west" which I assume is based on movies since none of us are old enough to be from the "old west", you will be holding your life in the palm of your hand every time you have a confrontation with another individual. I dont want that, ive got a lot i want to live for. I dont want to have a traffic accident and have it settled by the fastest draw at 40 paces... but then again it would likely be great for population control.
Long live the popo. In the scenario so described, you will learn to avoid people
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If we are going to live our lives "like the old west" which I assume is based on movies since none of us are old enough to be from the "old west", you will be holding your life in the palm of your hand every time you have a confrontation with another individual. I dont want that, ive got a lot i want to live for. I dont want to have a traffic accident and have it settled by the fastest draw at 40 paces... but then again it would likely be great for population control.
Long live the popo. We already have some of that going on in society, it is called road rage.
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When I was 8 my great grandfather said it was way worse than movies portrayed the old west. He said there were killings on the streets and no one was called out. They just walked up and shot. The original lawmen were usually criminals themselves as were\are politicians. He said it took criminals to catch criminals and liars to make people think it was alright to give in to politics. I can't say all lawmen are bad and I can't say they are all good but without them things could be worse.
Sometimes it's hard being me! But somebody has to do it.
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If we are going to live our lives "like the old west" which I assume is based on movies since none of us are old enough to be from the "old west", you will be holding your life in the palm of your hand every time you have a confrontation with another individual. I dont want that, ive got a lot i want to live for. I dont want to have a traffic accident and have it settled by the fastest draw at 40 paces... but then again it would likely be great for population control.
Long live the popo. We already have some of that going on in society, it is called road rage. Imagine what road rage would be without the consequences we now have.
It's hell eatin em live
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If we are going to live our lives "like the old west" which I assume is based on movies since none of us are old enough to be from the "old west", you will be holding your life in the palm of your hand every time you have a confrontation with another individual. I dont want that, ive got a lot i want to live for. I dont want to have a traffic accident and have it settled by the fastest draw at 40 paces... but then again it would likely be great for population control.
Long live the popo. 110% in agreement.
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Re: the reason for police
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With all the "Asian hate" going on why aint white cops gunning them down right and left like they are black folk?
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The only way no policing works is if everyone has the SAME set of strong morals/values and everyone follows those morals/values. People today don't have those kind of values anymore and if you remove the police, things will instantly go to the strongest, most savage person rules. If you need a current example, look at the non-filtered reporting of what happened during the CHOP experiment in Seattle. The MSM tried to paint it as all sunshine and rainbows. At the end, even they couldn't hide what had really been going on. God, already gave us the rules.................... Chop, only existed because of the political climate in those areas.......... good men would be prosecuted if they took action.........
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Yep, totally agree. It's easy and fun to think about hypothetical scenarios but it is totally different when you are facing it for real and there is no help coming. Yep! Thinking you know what you'll do and having to find out what you'll do is two different stories. It's an eye-opening experience, that's for sure.
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