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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 01:32 PM
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Some of you Fudds don't have a clue as what freedom really is.
Regulate this, regulate that.
Jesus Christ.
Beto would be proud. WORD They start out saying, "I am all for _____ except for _____." And this is why politicians divide and conquer and we lose more and more freedom every day.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 01:52 PM
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Some of you Fudds don't have a clue as what freedom really is.
Regulate this, regulate that.
Jesus Christ.
Beto would be proud. WORD They start out saying, "I am all for _____ except for _____." And this is why politicians divide and conquer and we lose more and more freedom every day. Yep, you're either "ALL IN" or GTFO!!!
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 02:06 PM
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I like the way it is now, Super easy to get LTC.
I don't think you have to do a class anymore for renewals.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 02:09 PM
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One point...about the second amendment. It does not say the right to KEEP arms but the right to keep and bear arms. The right is not limited to having firearms locked up in your home. Another point on the Second Amendment. The First Amendment gets knocked around A LOT. For example if the News Media prints a lie about me I can't sue them- "Freedom of Press" under the first amendment. If Justices keep getting appointed to the Supreme Court that hold that view- not much anyone can do BUT it pays to READ the Constitution. "Congress Shall Pass no law...." Every time someone starts yakking about the first amendment the first thing I ask is...WHAT LAW DID CONGRESS PASS? If Congress did not pass a law "You can't sue the News Media" then, fine we can argue about a violation of the first amendment but if Congress never even got involved- how can it possibility be a First Amendment issue? Now let's look at the Second Amendment. No Congress law passing. The Second is MUCH STRONGER. It says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. I take that as it cannot be infringed from any source, the Federal, State or Local government, Judges in court orders, etc. I hold that an individual, through due process of law, in a court action with a jury of his/her peers, can have rights restricted, including firearms but that's about it. How ever, what can you do when all these idiots go to law school and have some socialist law professor tell them what's what and then put that attitude into practice. Get some Conservative Judges appointed that reverse half this nonsense.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 02:14 PM
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I like the way it is now, Super easy to get LTC.
I don't think you have to do a class anymore for renewals.
If the CC bill passes then the only thing your LTC will be good for is an exception from a NICS background check on the 4473 when buying a gun from a gun store. I will still keep mine up to date. Cheap for veterans.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
[Re: The Dude Abides]
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04/16/21 03:48 PM
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If the CC bill passes then the only thing your LTC will be good for is an exception from a NICS background check on the 4473 when buying a gun from a gun store. I will still keep mine up to date. Cheap for veterans. Your LTC will also allow you to carry legally in other states that honor it. Constitutional carry typically limits you to carrying only in your home state.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 03:50 PM
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If the CC bill passes then the only thing your LTC will be good for is an exception from a NICS background check on the 4473 when buying a gun from a gun store. I will still keep mine up to date. Cheap for veterans. Your LTC will also allow you to carry legally in other states that honor it. Constitutional carry typically limits you to carrying only in your home state. You're right. My thought was within Texas.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 03:52 PM
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If the CC bill passes then the only thing your LTC will be good for is an exception from a NICS background check on the 4473 when buying a gun from a gun store. I will still keep mine up to date. Cheap for veterans. Your LTC will also allow you to carry legally in other states that honor it. Constitutional carry typically limits you to carrying only in your home state. You're right. My thought was within Texas. So, if CC passes, that won't automatically supercede the LTC program?
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 03:56 PM
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For example if the News Media prints a lie about me I can't sue them- "Freedom of Press" under the first amendment. FALSE. You certainly can sue them. Just ask Nick Sandman how much he got from CNN. Ever hear of libel, slander, or defamation of character? News media is not immune to those things. Remember, the 1st amendment only protects you from government prosecution for your expression of words, art, etc.. It allows the news media to FACTUALLY report on things that might get them executed in other countries like communist China. Especially when it is related to government corruption.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 04:29 PM
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If the CC bill passes then the only thing your LTC will be good for is an exception from a NICS background check on the 4473 when buying a gun from a gun store. I will still keep mine up to date. Cheap for veterans. Your LTC will also allow you to carry legally in other states that honor it. Constitutional carry typically limits you to carrying only in your home state. You're right. My thought was within Texas. So, if CC passes, that won't automatically supercede the LTC program? LTC remains. But you can carry without it.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 04:34 PM
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[quote=Dave Scott].. It allows the news media to FACTUALLY report on things that might get them executed in other countries like communist China.
Wouldn't it be great if the news media did this?
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 04:39 PM
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One point...about the second amendment. It does not say the right to KEEP arms but the right to keep and bear arms. The right is not limited to having firearms locked up in your home. Another point on the Second Amendment. The First Amendment gets knocked around A LOT. For example if the News Media prints a lie about me I can't sue them- "Freedom of Press" under the first amendment. If Justices keep getting appointed to the Supreme Court that hold that view- not much anyone can do BUT it pays to READ the Constitution. "Congress Shall Pass no law...." Every time someone starts yakking about the first amendment the first thing I ask is...WHAT LAW DID CONGRESS PASS? If Congress did not pass a law "You can't sue the News Media" then, fine we can argue about a violation of the first amendment but if Congress never even got involved- how can it possibility be a First Amendment issue? Now let's look at the Second Amendment. No Congress law passing. The Second is MUCH STRONGER. It says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. I take that as it cannot be infringed from any source, the Federal, State or Local government, Judges in court orders, etc. I hold that an individual, through due process of law, in a court action with a jury of his/her peers, can have rights restricted, including firearms but that's about it. How ever, what can you do when all these idiots go to law school and have some socialist law professor tell them what's what and then put that attitude into practice. Get some Conservative Judges appointed that reverse half this nonsense.
Do not forget to entertain strangers, For by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels Hebrews 13:2 (R-TX)
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 06:15 PM
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The Second is MUCH STRONGER. It says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. I take that as it cannot be infringed from any source, the Federal, State or Local government, Judges in court orders, etc. I hold that an individual, through due process of law, in a court action with a jury of his/her peers, can have rights restricted, including firearms but that's about it. How ever, what can you do when all these idiots go to law school and have some socialist law professor tell them what's what and then put that attitude into practice. Get some Conservative Judges appointed that reverse half this nonsense. I was surprised to learn that in Massachusetts you have to get a "firearms license" just to possess one in your own home. It is also necessary to purchase ammunition within the state. I haven't done the research but (if they haven't), why on earth hasn't anyone from Mass fought this law as unconstitutional?
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 06:28 PM
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I like the way it is now, Super easy to get LTC.
I don't think you have to do a class anymore for renewals.
Nope! I have renewed mine online for a while now.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 07:12 PM
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Good to know about suing the news media. Maybe sue them out of business.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 09:10 PM
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The guy answering phones for Seliger could not say whether or not he's behind the bill yet. Took down my info and my support. I guess we'll see.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/16/21 09:20 PM
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[quote=Dave Scott].. It allows the news media to FACTUALLY report on things that might get them executed in other countries like communist China.
Wouldn't it be great if the news media did this? Yes, it would. I could write a whole diatribe on what has happened in the decades since I was involved in news radio. Suffice it to say that what passes for journalism today is sloppy and biased, often by the reporter’s own personal agenda. They tend to only seek out contributors to a story that aligns with their thoughts vs. seeking out both sides of a story.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/17/21 02:19 PM
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One point...about the second amendment. It does not say the right to KEEP arms but the right to keep and bear arms. The right is not limited to having firearms locked up in your home. Another point on the Second Amendment. The First Amendment gets knocked around A LOT. For example if the News Media prints a lie about me I can't sue them- "Freedom of Press" under the first amendment. If Justices keep getting appointed to the Supreme Court that hold that view- not much anyone can do BUT it pays to READ the Constitution. "Congress Shall Pass no law...." Every time someone starts yakking about the first amendment the first thing I ask is...WHAT LAW DID CONGRESS PASS? If Congress did not pass a law "You can't sue the News Media" then, fine we can argue about a violation of the first amendment but if Congress never even got involved- how can it possibility be a First Amendment issue? Now let's look at the Second Amendment. No Congress law passing. The Second is MUCH STRONGER. It says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. I take that as it cannot be infringed from any source, the Federal, State or Local government, Judges in court orders, etc. I hold that an individual, through due process of law, in a court action with a jury of his/her peers, can have rights restricted, including firearms but that's about it. How ever, what can you do when all these idiots go to law school and have some socialist law professor tell them what's what and then put that attitude into practice. Get some Conservative Judges appointed that reverse half this nonsense. Well said, but what does the Second Amendment NOT give one the right to do?
"I have no idea what WW-III will be fought with, but WW-IV will be fought with sticks and stones." A. Einstein
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/17/21 04:04 PM
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The Second is MUCH STRONGER. It says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. I take that as it cannot be infringed from any source, the Federal, State or Local government, Judges in court orders, etc. I hold that an individual, through due process of law, in a court action with a jury of his/her peers, can have rights restricted, including firearms but that's about it. How ever, what can you do when all these idiots go to law school and have some socialist law professor tell them what's what and then put that attitude into practice. Get some Conservative Judges appointed that reverse half this nonsense. I was surprised to learn that in Massachusetts you have to get a "firearms license" just to possess one in your own home. It is also necessary to purchase ammunition within the state. I haven't done the research but (if they haven't), why on earth hasn't anyone from Mass fought this law as unconstitutional? Not just Massachusetts. Illinois, New Jersey and New York too I believe. There may be more states.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/17/21 04:05 PM
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And now Dan Patrick is in a position to stop Liberty. And he will.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/19/21 11:23 PM
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The King City Chronicle, Missouri, January 23, 1914
I believe in science and I’m an insufferable [censored] Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/21/21 01:14 AM
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so , Ive been asleep on this . Passed the house , now needs the senate? Asking for a friend.
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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so , Ive been asleep on this . Passed the house , now needs the senate? Asking for a friend. The hold out seems to be GOP senator, Sen. Kel Seliger of Amarillo.
Do not forget to entertain strangers, For by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels Hebrews 13:2 (R-TX)
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/21/21 11:24 AM
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After Constitutional Carry passed with strong bipartisan support in the Texas House, Republicans in the Senate are trying to lower expectations on the bill passing and may even be working to outright kill it!
According to Lt. Governor Dan Patrick, who oversees the Texas Senate, “Constitutional Carry doesn’t have the votes.”1
This is a lame attempt by a weak leader to shift responsibility off himself for Constitutional Carry dying under his watch.
As anyone in a leadership role understands, and to anyone paying attention to Texas politics, the buck stops with Dan Patrick!
We can’t allow his excuse-making to ruin our best opportunity to make Texas the next Constitutional Carry state.
It’s time to double down our pressure.
So please call Lt. Governor Dan Patrick at (512) 463-0001, and encourage him to bring HB 1927 to the Senate floor for a vote RIGHT AWAY. Houston Chronicle
Robert, don’t let him fool you.
Patrick has the power to whip his Republican Senators in line to bring Constitutional Carry legislation to the Senate floor.
For example, Senator Joan Huffman is widely speculated as being one of the Republican defectors on Constitutional Carry -- yet Lt. Gov. Patrick is protecting her and even appointed her as Chair and Vice Chair to three important Senate Committees.
That means Patrick can strip her of her power if she refuses to allow Constitutional Carry to the floor for a vote, which is a top priority of the Republican Party of Texas.
Then there is Senator Drew Springer, who publicly opposed Constitutional Carry as a member of the Texas House.
Of course, as soon as he decided to run for Senate last fall, he came out with strong support of Constitutional Carry after his opponent Shelley Luther made it a top campaign priority.
But now that Springer is safely in office, his staff is telling constituents that he does NOT support Constitutional Carry (HB 1927).
You can’t make this stuff up!
Finally, we have Senator Kel Seliger.
According to the Texas Tribune, Seliger stated “it was too early to say whether he would block the bill from coming to the floor or vote against it if it made it to the floor.”2
Of course, Patrick appointed Seliger as Vice Chair of the important Senate Transportation Committee and represents a district that voted 78% in favor of President Trump.
There is no reason the Lt. Governor can’t bring these Republican Senators in line and in support of Constitutional Carry.
That’s why it is critical you call Dan Patrick at (512) 463-0001, and tell him to get HB 1927 to the Senate floor immediately!
Robert, rumors swirling in the Capitol suggested that Patrick was drumming up big-city law enforcement opposition to HB 1927 -- before it was voted out of the Texas House.
He hoped this opposition would kill the bill before getting to the Senate so he and his colleagues wouldn’t have to deal with it.
But now that Constitutional Carry made its way to the Senate, Lt. Governor Dan Patrick is publicly inviting anti-gun, big city police chiefs and the establishment gun lobby to the table to discuss a “compromise” on Constitutional Carry.
In his own words, he wants to “find a path that a majority of senators will vote to pass.”
But what Dan Patrick MUST realize is pro-gun Texans are sick and tired of establishment Republicans killing Constitutional Carry for the past decade.
And pro-gun Texans won’t accept anything less than Constitutional Carry in 2021!
That's why it's critical you call Dan Patrick and encourage him to take up HB 1927 right away.
Seven Democrats bucked their party and voted for Constitutional Carry HB 1927 in the Texas House.
There is absolutely no excuse any Republican in the Texas Senate should oppose this pro-gun measure.
If Constitutional Carry dies in the Texas Senate, it comes solely at the hands of Dan Patrick and his weak-kneed counterparts.
That means it's time to double down on our pressure.
This came from Tx Gun Rights
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Re: Constitutional Carry
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04/21/21 11:25 AM
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And Abbott is also waffling.
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