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Re: Constitutional Carry [Re: Jimbo1] #8235394 04/13/21 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1
Major city PD Chiefs are in opposition. SMDH



Standing with the liberals that defund them. Smart move... flush

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I heard that new CoP at DPD running his head...please, give me a break. This is going to pass this go around!


Originally Posted by Superduty
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.

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1927 & 1500 are headed to the floor for debate Thursday



Excellent!

Keep it moving clear to the Governor's desk!

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Originally Posted by BbarVRanch
Originally Posted by Jimbo1
Major city PD Chiefs are in opposition. SMDH



Standing with the liberals that defund them. Smart move... flush



Newsflash, this just in "ALL MAJOR CITY POLICE CHIEFS ARE LIBERAL"




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Re: Constitutional Carry [Re: The Dude Abides] #8236167 04/14/21 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TXGUNNER308
I heard that new CoP at DPD running his head...please, give me a break. This is going to pass this go around!


Well, he came from the Bay Area of Kommiefornistan so no real surprise he’s against the idea.

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Reach out to your State Representatives and make sure they are supporting this bill...HB1927

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Originally Posted by Superduty
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.

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Texas is a great state but we're a bit backwards when it comes to firearms.

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I'll say I'm for Constitutional Carry but I do have my concerns. I'm sure most of you have been in a Concealed Carry class. I've been in a few myself. Each time there were people in those classes that had never shot a gun before. Each time my target was hit by someone else (easy to tell when you shoot a .45 and they don't). I carry Texas Law Shield Insurance/Coverage because thru those classes I'm aware of the legal ramifications if I use my firearm.

It's the duty of every person that carries to know the legal ramifications, how to safely handle and use their firearm, and when they should/should not consider using deadly force. Every person that carries owes it to those around them that they can safely and responsibly use said firearm and not put innocents at risk. Now I know everyone here can do that. I also know, not everyone that would choose to carry an unlicensed handgun will know or even consider such things. Those of us on this board, we wouldn't consider carrying a handgun we have not shot enough to feel comfortable with and trust our life to it. Others, they may not have even shot their handgun period - potentially they haven't even shot a gun ever. They may not know it's safety features. They may not know the basics of safe firearms handling. I'd be lying if I said that doesn't concern me, ALOT.

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Originally Posted by Earl
I'll say I'm for Constitutional Carry but I do have my concerns. I'm sure most of you have been in a Concealed Carry class. I've been in a few myself. Each time there were people in those classes that had never shot a gun before. Each time my target was hit by someone else (easy to tell when you shoot a .45 and they don't). I carry Texas Law Shield Insurance/Coverage because thru those classes I'm aware of the legal ramifications if I use my firearm.

It's the duty of every person that carries to know the legal ramifications, how to safely handle and use their firearm, and when they should/should not consider using deadly force. Every person that carries owes it to those around them that they can safely and responsibly use said firearm and not put innocents at risk. Now I know everyone here can do that. I also know, not everyone that would chose to carry an unlicensed handgun will know or even consider such things. I'd be lying if I said that doesn't concern me.

When I took my class, there was this lady to my right that was hitting the ground halfway between her and the target. She scared me.

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i see, what im assuming, is the 'moms demand action' folks over on the right side of the screen.


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Re: Constitutional Carry [Re: soooo] #8237576 04/15/21 05:28 PM
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The anti-gunners are teamed up for Q&A now.

The fearmongering is strong within them. loco_too

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Very interesting...


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I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.

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Very interesting...



It is!

The anti-gun shills are not having much luck with pushing their restrictive amendments through! cheers

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Do y'all think this really has a chance at passing?

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Do y'all think this really has a chance at passing?


Hell yea...it's going to pass


Originally Posted by Superduty
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.

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Originally Posted by Earl
I'll say I'm for Constitutional Carry but I do have my concerns. I'm sure most of you have been in a Concealed Carry class. I've been in a few myself. Each time there were people in those classes that had never shot a gun before. Each time my target was hit by someone else (easy to tell when you shoot a .45 and they don't). I carry Texas Law Shield Insurance/Coverage because thru those classes I'm aware of the legal ramifications if I use my firearm.

It's the duty of every person that carries to know the legal ramifications, how to safely handle and use their firearm, and when they should/should not consider using deadly force. Every person that carries owes it to those around them that they can safely and responsibly use said firearm and not put innocents at risk. Now I know everyone here can do that. I also know, not everyone that would choose to carry an unlicensed handgun will know or even consider such things. Those of us on this board, we wouldn't consider carrying a handgun we have not shot enough to feel comfortable with and trust our life to it. Others, they may not have even shot their handgun period - potentially they haven't even shot a gun ever. They may not know it's safety features. They may not know the basics of safe firearms handling. I'd be lying if I said that doesn't concern me, ALOT.

Well stated

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I'll say I'm for Constitutional Carry but I do have my concerns. I'm sure most of you have been in a Concealed Carry class. I've been in a few myself. Each time there were people in those classes that had never shot a gun before. Each time my target was hit by someone else (easy to tell when you shoot a .45 and they don't). I carry Texas Law Shield Insurance/Coverage because thru those classes I'm aware of the legal ramifications if I use my firearm.

It's the duty of every person that carries to know the legal ramifications, how to safely handle and use their firearm, and when they should/should not consider using deadly force. Every person that carries owes it to those around them that they can safely and responsibly use said firearm and not put innocents at risk. Now I know everyone here can do that. I also know, not everyone that would choose to carry an unlicensed handgun will know or even consider such things. Those of us on this board, we wouldn't consider carrying a handgun we have not shot enough to feel comfortable with and trust our life to it. Others, they may not have even shot their handgun period - potentially they haven't even shot a gun ever. They may not know it's safety features. They may not know the basics of safe firearms handling. I'd be lying if I said that doesn't concern me, ALOT.

Well stated



Fearmongering. Baseless.

Constitutional Carry in other states has not seen any of those things happen.

Not everyone is a trained NASCAR driver, but it doesn't mean they can't drive their car to work.

As a former police range officer, I have seen some horrid marksmen who were veteran officers. Not many of those guys (who have potential to use their handguns far more than the avg. citizen) have sprayed innocents with gunfire.

Texans should be afforded the right to defend themselves when placed in harms way. Will 100% of them hit the X ring when faced with life or death situations? Probably not. But we deserve the right to carry and defend ourselves.

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Originally Posted by BbarVRanch
Originally Posted by presley
Originally Posted by Earl
I'll say I'm for Constitutional Carry but I do have my concerns. I'm sure most of you have been in a Concealed Carry class. I've been in a few myself. Each time there were people in those classes that had never shot a gun before. Each time my target was hit by someone else (easy to tell when you shoot a .45 and they don't). I carry Texas Law Shield Insurance/Coverage because thru those classes I'm aware of the legal ramifications if I use my firearm.

It's the duty of every person that carries to know the legal ramifications, how to safely handle and use their firearm, and when they should/should not consider using deadly force. Every person that carries owes it to those around them that they can safely and responsibly use said firearm and not put innocents at risk. Now I know everyone here can do that. I also know, not everyone that would choose to carry an unlicensed handgun will know or even consider such things. Those of us on this board, we wouldn't consider carrying a handgun we have not shot enough to feel comfortable with and trust our life to it. Others, they may not have even shot their handgun period - potentially they haven't even shot a gun ever. They may not know it's safety features. They may not know the basics of safe firearms handling. I'd be lying if I said that doesn't concern me, ALOT.

Well stated



Fearmongering. Baseless.

Constitutional Carry in other states has not seen any of those things happen.

Not everyone is a trained NASCAR driver, but it doesn't mean they can't drive their car to work.

As a former police range officer, I have seen some horrid marksmen who were veteran officers. Not many of those guys (who have potential to use their handguns far more than the avg. citizen) have sprayed innocents with gunfire.

Texans should be afforded the right to defend themselves when placed in harms way. Will 100% of them hit the X ring when faced with life or death situations? Probably not. But we deserve the right to carry and defend ourselves.


^^ Agree 100%


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I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.

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How can it be fearmongering? How can you state with absolute certainty that everyone that will carry a gun will know how to use it and do so safely AND understand the repercussions even if they do? That's all I'm saying.

It only takes one person to shoot someone that they shouldn't to ruin things for everyone. If you don't agree with that, just watch what happens when it does occur because at some point it will. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to carry, I'm ONLY saying that right comes with great responsibility and a person should understand that, be trained for it, and own up to it. How you could disagree with that, God only knows.

You are right, not all LEO's are decent marksmen - I'm not saying a person has to be. But all LEO's do have to qualify and go thru regular training. They understand when to shoot and when not and what the legal ramifications of a shooting are - and even they can make mistakes as has been seen this week.

Earl

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Originally Posted by BbarVRanch
Originally Posted by presley
Originally Posted by Earl
I'll say I'm for Constitutional Carry but I do have my concerns. I'm sure most of you have been in a Concealed Carry class. I've been in a few myself. Each time there were people in those classes that had never shot a gun before. Each time my target was hit by someone else (easy to tell when you shoot a .45 and they don't). I carry Texas Law Shield Insurance/Coverage because thru those classes I'm aware of the legal ramifications if I use my firearm.

It's the duty of every person that carries to know the legal ramifications, how to safely handle and use their firearm, and when they should/should not consider using deadly force. Every person that carries owes it to those around them that they can safely and responsibly use said firearm and not put innocents at risk. Now I know everyone here can do that. I also know, not everyone that would choose to carry an unlicensed handgun will know or even consider such things. Those of us on this board, we wouldn't consider carrying a handgun we have not shot enough to feel comfortable with and trust our life to it. Others, they may not have even shot their handgun period - potentially they haven't even shot a gun ever. They may not know it's safety features. They may not know the basics of safe firearms handling. I'd be lying if I said that doesn't concern me, ALOT.

Well stated



Fearmongering. Baseless.

Constitutional Carry in other states has not seen any of those things happen.

Not everyone is a trained NASCAR driver, but it doesn't mean they can't drive their car to work.

As a former police range officer, I have seen some horrid marksmen who were veteran officers. Not many of those guys (who have potential to use their handguns far more than the avg. citizen) have sprayed innocents with gunfire.

Texans should be afforded the right to defend themselves when placed in harms way. Will 100% of them hit the X ring when faced with life or death situations? Probably not. But we deserve the right to carry and defend ourselves.


^^ Agree 100%


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This has NOT been the case in other states. Yes, accidents do happen, I will agree...cars kill people EVERY single day from good drivers and bad. More so than guns. Apply your analogy to that scenario.


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All I can apply are experience. I've been on the firing line with people that were failed for licenses to carry because of their inability to use a firearm safely. This would let them carry. Agreed, it doesn't mean someone is going to get shot with an AD - but it doesn't mean it eliminates the threat of that happening either.

I CAN tell you that if me or mine were ever harmed thru a negligent discharge or the use of a gun by someone that was not trained in its use, knew how to safely use it, or even the basics of safe firearms use - I would take them for every penny they owned or ever would own and I would venture to say that you would do the same.

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This has NOT been the case in other states. Yes, accidents do happen, I will agree...cars kill people EVERY single day from good drivers and bad. More so than guns. Apply your analogy to that scenario.


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This has NOT been the case in other states. Yes, accidents do happen, I will agree...cars kill people EVERY single day from good drivers and bad. More so than guns. Apply your analogy to that scenario.

You do have to qualify for a DL and in most cases, take a test of some sort. Yes, the test has been dumbed down in recent years, but there is still some manditory training and/or a test. So in this case, the analogy works against your argument.

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Originally Posted by Earl
All I can apply are experience. I've been on the firing line with people that were failed for licenses to carry because of their inability to use a firearm safely. This would let them carry. Agreed, it doesn't mean someone is going to get shot with an AD - but it doesn't mean it eliminates the threat of that happening either.

I CAN tell you that if me or mine were ever harmed thru a negligent discharge or the use of a gun by someone that was not trained in its use, knew how to safely use it, or even the basics of safe firearms use - I would take them for every penny they owned or ever would own and I would venture to say that you would do the same.

Earl

Originally Posted by TXGUNNER308
This has NOT been the case in other states. Yes, accidents do happen, I will agree...cars kill people EVERY single day from good drivers and bad. More so than guns. Apply your analogy to that scenario.



Your point is at firing line. I'm not talking about people shooting at a range. Yes, idiots are at the range.


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I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.

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Some of you Fudds don't have a clue as what freedom really is.

Regulate this, regulate that.

Jesus Christ.

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