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Antler Restrictions #8229791 04/08/21 06:26 PM
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Do you think that the TPWD will every back off on the AR's? I know that it has helped buck's to mature, but, have they ran their course now with the way that deer are being managed?

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Some places manage better with the restrictions because of the law. If you remove the restrictions in many places I could see the one and 2 year olds making up most of the harvest and not seeing many of the more mature age class bucks after a while. I know it improved the hunting where I hunt in Eastland County.


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I don't personally see the need for them to back off on the restrictions. Just my opinion, but one trophy buck per
year should be enough for everyone. If you are hunting for meat, then shoot does...they taste better anyway.


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kphillips I think your line of thought is very sound. To me I thought AR started in areas where there was thought to not be much management. It seems to really help out in those areas but any areas that are mostly managed well I would think they dont belong. I always thought ARs were mostly just ETx but evidently there are a lot more counties than I was aware of. I dont know if its likely they will go backwards in those counties any time soon.
I remember talking to TPWD biologist in Throckmorton about 12 or 13 years ago when they were proposing going from one buck to two buck county. We talked about too many bucks being killed but he felt there was enough management minded hunters in the area that it would work. They made the change and I think its worked great. You cant paint Texas all with the same brush. I would hate to be saddled with ARs out there.


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I wish they would revise it from 13" to 12" as I have passed several mature high rack 10 and 11 point bucks over the past few years due to our bucks being tall and narrow. All of the young wide bucks are killed off as they are the only ones that make AR's. I know there are some good ones that make it, but where I hunt not many.

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Not until there's data that shows they're creating a negative impact.


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Experimental ARs for mule deer are absolutely working in the Panhandle. up

Re: Antler Restrictions [Re: kphilli66] #8229911 04/08/21 08:28 PM
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Not all leases are managed better so AR's will continue to be needed. If you aren't leasing at least a couple of thousand acres you really can't manage the deer herd. Especially in east Texas, you have many small, timber company tracts that are leased and without the AR's after a few years you would go back to maybe not even seeing a buck. The flip side is there are a lot of mature bucks in east Texas that wouldn't make the AR so there ought to be some kind of accommodation for those without having to go MLDP.

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I have no problem with them. I see them more as keeping the counties a 1 buck county, which are needed in high pressured areas. You can shoot does or a spike for meat.

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I like them as long as they are not in this county.

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It just seems that a county that has a 2 buck limit with only one being 13 or great, which means take a spike buck, and I have no problem with, would soon be hard to find a buck with a 13 inch or greater spread. Would it really hurt buck populations to drop the AR for a couple of seasons to take out some of the basket rack bucks, then put it back in place, see what if it hurt the hunting or not. I will take a doe anytime for eating, or a spike, and leave a wall hanger if possible to see if it gets better. I hunt for meat predominantly.

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I've said this before. I wish they would allow the county GW to issue a hide tag that is used with the normal buck tag. This is for the mature sub 13" AR deer that the hunter would take a picture and send to the GW to see if he agrees. The GW can issue the hide tag directly to the hunter and both are used when it is harvested. The deer darn sure better match the picture tho.


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A lot of them in my area shoot everything with hair on it despite the restrictions.

They just seldom get caught.

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Originally Posted by decook
I've said this before. I wish they would allow the county GW to issue a hide tag that is used with the normal buck tag. This is for the mature sub 13" AR deer that the hunter would take a picture and send to the GW to see if he agrees. The GW can issue the hide tag directly to the hunter and both are used when it is harvested. The deer darn sure better match the picture tho.


Here is where the TPWD acts much like Democrats when it comes to voter fraud. They don't believe it happens enough to matter. Like voter fraud, I choose to differ.

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does not matter to much in this county with all the poaching


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I doubt it

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I say do away with restrictions for the youth. Herd to tell my 2 girls they cant shoot their first deer because it is not big enough.

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Honestly the only thing i see AR's doing is keeping people from killing all the bucks. I hunted in a few AR counties, and lived in one for most of my life. Pretty much what we saw was the absence of bucks. You could drive around at dusk and see a field with 50 deer in it and pretty much not a buck in the lot. AR's ensure that at least some fraction of the buck population is allowed to survive. I think they do their best in areas that are comprised of smaller tracts that are hunted heavily.


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NO. They give you plenty of time in the general season to get meat for the freezer without having to kill young bucks.......I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually create a exception tag for obviously mature bucks that don't make the minimum inside spread.....


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What is the body image of a mature buck or more than mature buck that make it easier to judge the age, if they were to go to a buck tag that was for the 13 and under, but getting on up in age? Would the buck look more like us guys as we age, grey in the face all over, pot bellied, and walking with his joints sounding like Rice Krispy's?

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I don't want to piss people off but hunting "is being in the right place at the right time" these days. Hunting went away with the modern firearms and grocery stores. If you don't like AR's its because your hunting horns no matter what the size. Does provide me with meat if that's what I want. I have some nice bucks on my 20 acre place that would never have made it to be nice bucks prior to AR's. Still I see some mistakes happening because people are shooting horns instead of age. Luckily all my trigger happy neighbors are gone and management minded folks have moved in. 15 years ago 15" bucks were few and far between north of College Station and south of Waco. This year I saw 4 over 20" and 1 was taken by my brother on my 20 acre plot. AR's are welcome to stay because if your hunting meat, a doe will do and if you want a trophy, AR's help them get closer to reaching their full potential. Not all bucks will make it to 20 inches wide but the longer they live the closer they get. cheers To being in the right place at the right time.


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Originally Posted by redchevy
Honestly the only thing i see AR's doing is keeping people from killing all the bucks. I hunted in a few AR counties, and lived in one for most of my life. Pretty much what we saw was the absence of bucks. You could drive around at dusk and see a field with 50 deer in it and pretty much not a buck in the lot. AR's ensure that at least some fraction of the buck population is allowed to survive. I think they do their best in areas that are comprised of smaller tracts that are hunted heavily.

This^^^ But, that's the point. AR's were put in place in parts of east Texas where you would so rarely see nice Bucks that people were shooting anything with horns. Of course, you were not seeing many nice Bucks because you were shooting anything with horns, but regardless of how many times people were told that, it had to be made into a regulation in order for people to actually abide by it. If AR's went away, people would go back to shooting anything with horns and we would end up back at square one. You can argue that AR's have now spread to places where they weren't really needed, but AR's are like those little plastic dividers between you and the cashier. You know, the ones you and the cashier both go around so that you can actually hear the other person.... Useless or not, they are here to stay.


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It's funny. Most people thing the ARs are an East Texas thing. Several years ago I was down in Cuero and ran into the local GW at lunch (at a local mexican/bbq joint, imagine that?) and we started talking. I brought up AR rules and wondered why they had them so far South. He told me that De Witt County was the first County in Texas with AR rules. They put them in place as an experiment with TPWD Biologists and some of the bigger ranch owners and they worked.

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Originally Posted by Hunt Dog
It's funny. Most people thing the ARs are an East Texas thing. Several years ago I was down in Cuero and ran into the local GW at lunch (at a local mexican/bbq joint, imagine that?) and we started talking. I brought up AR rules and wondered why they had them so far South. He told me that De Witt County was the first County in Texas with AR rules. They put them in place as an experiment with TPWD Biologists and some of the bigger ranch owners and they worked.


I remember as a kid hunting in Gonzales county, we were lucky to see a deer much less a buck.


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