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The saga continues #8228035 04/07/21 01:08 PM
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The NRA paid millions of dollars more than contracts allowed to a vendor who hosted CEO Wayne LaPierre on his yacht. That's according to evidence introduced Tuesday in the second day of hearings this week in the gun group's Texas bankruptcy case. An attorney for the New York Attorney General's Office produced NRA documents that indicated the group had paid a trio of companies linked to Hollywood producer David McKenzie more than $800,000 a month above the maximum amount stipulated in contracts. The excess payments began in 2018 and continued until the NRA's January bankruptcy, suggested the attorney, who indicated that LaPierre and former CFO Woody Phillips verbally approved the increases in violation of NRA procurement rules. LaPierre and Phillips are defendants in New York's lawsuit against the NRA. McKenzie is a longtime NRA vendor and LaPierre associate. LaPierre recently testified that he'd taken refuge on McKenzie's yacht Illusions in the Bahamas as a security measure following mass shootings. — Will Van Sant, staff writer


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I hope Wayne LaPierre ends up in prison....POS!


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why do we have to start a new thread every time about these clowns?

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Several years ago I had Wounded Warrior ding my VISA card for $100 a month, every month,,, till about 18 months later I found out the head of Wounded Warriors was getting a salary of $650,000 a year. I canceled, looks like the NRA is similar. Great organization,,, but greed overtakes the leaders.

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As a 2A advocate, I appreciate the lead taken by the NRA in its defense, but I have never been able to fully get behind the organization. I have had a membership, let it lapse, and renewed several times over the past 4 decades. Unfortunately, each time I renew, I get immediately irritated by the constant battery of solicitation letters asking for more money. I used to tell my wife that if they saved the printing and postage from my account alone, they would have more than enough to fight for our rights - often I would receive a large package in the mail almost weekly.

Now to hear about the largesse of the administration, it solidifies my opinion that donations and membership dollars are not being well managed. It stink because I want their support of my rights, but done wisely and with meticulous attention to expenditures. One more nail for the libs to try and take them down I guess...ugh!

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Originally Posted by TXGUNNER308
why do we have to start a new thread every time about these clowns?



So you'll have something to whine about.


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yep, I'll slam on those pfhucking idiots every time. I was a life time member too!


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Originally Posted by Dalroo
As a 2A advocate, I appreciate the lead taken by the NRA in its defense, but I have never been able to fully get behind the organization. I have had a membership, let it lapse, and renewed several times over the past 4 decades. Unfortunately, each time I renew, I get immediately irritated by the constant battery of solicitation letters asking for more money. I used to tell my wife that if they saved the printing and postage from my account alone, they would have more than enough to fight for our rights - often I would receive a large package in the mail almost weekly.

Now to hear about the largesse of the administration, it solidifies my opinion that donations and membership dollars are not being well managed. It stink because I want their support of my rights, but done wisely and with meticulous attention to expenditures. One more nail for the libs to try and take them down I guess...ugh!

My situation exactly. As long as Lapierre is part of the NRA, I will never give them another dime. He's swamp material just as much as those he is supposed to be standing up against. JMHO 2cents

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Originally Posted by Dalroo
As a 2A advocate, I appreciate the lead taken by the NRA in its defense, but I have never been able to fully get behind the organization. I have had a membership, let it lapse, and renewed several times over the past 4 decades. Unfortunately, each time I renew, I get immediately irritated by the constant battery of solicitation letters asking for more money. I used to tell my wife that if they saved the printing and postage from my account alone, they would have more than enough to fight for our rights - often I would receive a large package in the mail almost weekly.

Now to hear about the largesse of the administration, it solidifies my opinion that donations and membership dollars are not being well managed. It stink because I want their support of my rights, but done wisely and with meticulous attention to expenditures. One more nail for the libs to try and take them down I guess...ugh!

My situation exactly. As long as Lapierre is part of the NRA, I will never give them another dime. He's swamp material just as much as those he is supposed to be standing up against. JMHO 2cents


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Wayne LaPierre admitted that he and his family enjoyed summer and winter getaways in the Bahamas aboard a yacht owned by an NRA vendor. The comments came as the NRA CEO took the stand for the first time in the gun group's Texas bankruptcy case. We reported yesterday that documents introduced in the case showed that the NRA had paid companies linked to the vendor, a Hollywood producer, $800,000 a month more than the maximum stipulated in contracts. LaPierre testified that from 2013 to 2020, he had not reported the trips, and others he'd taken in Europe on another of the producer's yachts, as required by the NRA's conflict of interest policy. "I believe now that it should have been disclosed," he said. "It was one of the mistakes that I made." LaPierre indicated that he had withheld the information for security reasons, saying, "I was living under incredible threat at the time." In 2018, as part of a push to strengthen legal and regulatory compliance, the NRA held seminars for employees. LaPierre testified that he had not attended, but had reviewed the material taught in the seminars. "Looking back," he said, "I wish that I had attended." LaPierre repeatedly digressed in his responses, leading the judge to urge direct answers. "Mr. LaPierre, please don't do that again, all right?" he said at one point. "There wasn't a pending question." — Will Van Sant, staff writer


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Can someone explain to me how Wayne LaPierre has avoided being arrested for embezzlement? There's not a problem with the NRA; there's just a problem with the head guy in charge who believes that the NRA is his personal piggy bank.

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Originally Posted by blkt2
Can someone explain to me how Wayne LaPierre has avoided being arrested for embezzlement? There's not a problem with the NRA; there's just a problem with the head guy in charge who believes that the NRA is his personal piggy bank.



The problem is deeper than just WLP.

The Board lets him do it.

I'm not sure it's "embezzlement" if he does things with the Board's knowledge and consent.

I do know that the NRA does not have yours or my gun rights as their priority now though. If they'd dumped WLP when they should have, their membership, budget and strength would have been unprecedented by now.

That speaks volumes.

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Wayne LaPierre reportedly directed travel consultant to submit invoices that omitted stops. That's according to testimony yesterday from Gayle Stanford, who collected more than $2 million a year from the NRA while acting as the NRA CEO's travel consultant. She said she submitted invoices that omitted stops in Nebraska and the Bahamas at LaPierre's direction. LaPierre has relatives in Nebraska and he and his family have vacationed in the Bahamas on a yacht owned by an NRA vendor. LaPierre's air travel and that of his extended family at the NRA's expense has been controversial. LaPierre testified in the NRA's Texas bankruptcy that he has exclusively flown on private flights since 2013 and made all arrangements with Stanford verbally, never in writing. LaPierre has suggested that details of his spending and travel must be kept secret to protect him from threats. In a tense exchange during which LaPierre's lawyer repeatedly urged him to limit his responses, the NRA boss said that attorneys had urged him to pay legal invoices before the bankruptcy filing in January, lest the law firms involved become creditors in the case. The judge, who told LaPierre the issue was "a very important area for you and your organization," pleaded with LaPierre, as he did yesterday, not to digress in his answers. "I'm about to say something I've said for a day and a half now," the judge said to LaPierre. "Can you answer the questions that are asked? Hearings resume Monday. — Will Van Sant, staff writer

From today's anti-gun media


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....From today's anti-gun media


That's the problem.

WLP and the B.O.D. are complicit in, if nothing else, giving the media and anti-gunners fodder to use against us (and the NRA).

The head guys and the board need to be beyond reproach.

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Regardless of what happens with the bankruptcy case, something tells me WLP is going to get a visit from the IRS and audited for how much of this was ever reported on his personal taxes as income.


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where is the NRA? why have we not heard from them in the last 2 days? they were always spouting off before (pre-Covid) when libs were running their heads.


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where is the NRA? why have we not heard from them in the last 2 days? they were always spouting off before (pre-Covid) when libs were running their heads.


In court trying to explain things


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where is the NRA? why have we not heard from them in the last 2 days? they were always spouting off before (pre-Covid) when libs were running their heads.


In court trying to explain things


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I, like many others, did what Dalroo did. I'd join, get ticked off and let it lapse, then something would happen and I'd join again, just a stupid circle. My question is until or even if the NRA straightens up, what organization do we support? I'm a life member of the TSRA and I haven't had an issues with them. But is there a national organization that you trust right now? And no I will not support the NRA until there is a complete change of leadership.

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Originally Posted by CoyoteHill
I, like many others, did what Dalroo did. I'd join, get ticked off and let it lapse, then something would happen and I'd join again, just a stupid circle. My question is until or even if the NRA straightens up, what organization do we support? I'm a life member of the TSRA and I haven't had an issues with them. But is there a national organization that you trust right now? And no I will not support the NRA until there is a complete change of leadership.



I send extra $$ to the GOA now.

The NRA used to get it. But I'm not paying for them to defend WLP with MY money.

I can't do anything about my membership to the NRA, but I can sure not send any extra.

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I, like many others, did what Dalroo did. I'd join, get ticked off and let it lapse, then something would happen and I'd join again, just a stupid circle. My question is until or even if the NRA straightens up, what organization do we support? I'm a life member of the TSRA and I haven't had an issues with them. But is there a national organization that you trust right now? And no I will not support the NRA until there is a complete change of leadership.



I send extra $$ to the GOA now.

The NRA used to get it. But I'm not paying for them to defend WLP with MY money.

I can't do anything about my membership to the NRA, but I can sure not send any extra.


'Heard good things about them. (GOA). I've always wondered what I did to get the NRA to stop sending me renewal notices. One day, whenever it was, years ago, they just stopped. And I haven't been a member since. I just forgot about it. Maybe I got on a "really crazy" list. geekfreak


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