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What We're up Against #8214098 03/25/21 12:51 PM
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New York Times has readers who vote and think the truth is found there.

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By David Leonhardt

Good morning. We look at five key facts about gun violence — and the politics of the issue.


A memorial in Boulder, Colo., for the victims of this week’s deadly shooting.Stephen Speranza for The New York Times
‘We know which laws work’
It’s a dismal ritual of American life: A mass shooting occurs — sometimes more than one, in quick succession. The country mourns the victims. And nothing changes.

I expect the same will happen following the killings in Atlanta and Boulder, Colo. But it is still worth taking a few minutes to lay out the basic facts about gun violence. The key one is simply this: The scale of gun deaths in the United States is not inevitable. The country could reduce the death toll, perhaps substantially, if it chose to.

1. The toll approaches pancreatic cancer’s
When gun violence is counted as a single category — spanning homicides, suicides and accidents — it kills about 40,000 Americans a year.

That’s far behind the country’s biggest killers, like heart disease (about 650,000 annual deaths) or Alzheimer’s (about 125,000). But it is broadly comparable to the toll from many well-known causes of death, including an average flu season (35,000), vehicle accidents (39,000), breast cancer (42,000), liver disease (43,000) or pancreatic cancer (45,000).

2. More guns mean more deaths
Republican members of Congress often claim otherwise. After the Boulder shootings, John Thune of South Dakota, the Senate’s second-ranking Republican, dismissed calls for restricting gun availability, saying, “There’s not a big appetite among our members to do things that would appear to be addressing it, but actually don’t do anything to fix the problem.”

But there is overwhelming evidence that this country has a unique problem with gun violence, mostly because it has unique gun availability.


By The New York Times | Sources: Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, Small Arms Survey, World Bank
It’s not just that every other high-income country in the world has many fewer guns and many fewer gun deaths. It’s also that U.S. states with fewer guns — like California, Illinois, Iowa and much of the Northeast — have fewer gun deaths. And when state or local governments have restricted gun access, deaths have often declined, Michael Siegel of Boston University’s School of Public Health says.

“The main lesson that comes out of this research is that we know which laws work,” Siegel says. (Nicholas Kristof, the Times columnist, has written a good overview, called “How to Reduce Shootings.”)

3. Mass shootings aren’t the main problem
They receive huge attention, for obvious reasons: They are horrific. But they are also not the primary source of gun violence. In 2019, for example, only about one out of every 400 gun deaths was the result of a mass shooting (defined as any attack with at least four deaths). More than half of gun deaths are from suicides, as Margot Sanger-Katz of The Times has noted.

Still, many of the policies that experts say would reduce gun deaths — like requiring gun licenses and background checks — would likely affect both mass shootings and the larger problem.

4. Public opinion is complicated
Yes, an overwhelming majority of Americans support many gun-regulation proposals — like background checks — that congressional Republicans have blocked. And, yes, the campaign donations of the National Rifle Association influence the debate.

But the main reason that members of Congress feel comfortable blocking gun control is that most Americans don’t feel strongly enough about the issue to change their votes because of it. If Americans stopped voting for opponents of gun control, gun-control laws would pass very quickly. This country’s level of gun violence is as high as it is because many Americans have decided that they are OK with it.

5. The filibuster is pro-gun
Gun control is yet another issue in which the filibuster helps Republican policy priorities and hurts Democratic priorities. On guns (as on climate change, taxes, Medicare access, the minimum wage, immigration and other issues), Republicans are happier with the status quo than Democrats. The filibuster — which requires 60 Senate votes to pass most bills, rather than a straight majority of 51 — protects the status quo.

If Democrats were to change the filibuster, as many favor, it isn’t hard to imagine how a gun-control bill could become law this year. With the filibuster, it is almost impossible to imagine.


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So let me get this straight in my head. They think that getting rid of guns would prevent suicides? It might prevent a few, but if someone is really serious about taking their lives then nothing will prevent them from taking it. I looked at the latest stats and it shows that nearly 2/3's of suicides are committed with guns, so were are talking about nearly 26,000, so take that number away from the 40K. If you take away the murders (homicides) in the large Dem controlled (major gun restrictions) cities it drops significantly again. Also they count self defense (police shootings, home invasion, etc) in the homicide numbers as well, so if those are taken out it drops even further. Granted criminals will not be stopped no matter how many laws are made, heck, the ones on the books now are not enforced. That leaves accidents, which should be addressed in schools with gun safety classes starting at a young age. Training would greatly reduce gun accidents. That leaves the only reason for gun control, is to disarm the US public.


The toll approaches pancreatic cancer’s
When gun violence is counted as a single category — spanning homicides, suicides and accidents — it kills about 40,000 Americans a year.

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So, states like Illinois, where Chicago is, have less"gun violence"?? That's prolly not an accurate statement....

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Chicago probably has the most gun violence in the whole country.


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Yeah, but when you point out Chicago, the liberal answer is that guns are coming from the neighboring states where gun laws are less strict. Therefore we need to have those same gun laws in the surrounding states. They won't talk about the fact that the rest of Illinois or the other neighboring states have far less gun violence than Chicago. They also don't understand the fact that you can't just go to a neighboring state and buy a handgun and bring it back to Chicago.


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