Pistols and revolvers should group a little tighter than your list, but I have heck getting rifles to group to those standards. It's not the rifles, it's the "me".

https://www.nbrsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/HV5-100.pdf

Some of ya’ll are hunting with guns that shoot better than bench rifles. Anytime someone says “this gun shoots .1-.2’s all day”...most of the time they are full of [censored]. There aren’t many guns that can agg a .2 consistently and even less in a hunting platform.

Sorry to burst some bubbles.

Lots of folks shoot one .5" group with 3-4 shots and then call their rifle a 1/2 moa gun...

I trust almost nobody online on this topic. Shoot a target in front of me and then we'll talk. I'd be floored to see a 22 shot outdoors at 100 yards under 1" consistently.

Agree, and this is why:


This is from my hunting trip this weekend. Not retrieving something I shot is a bad feeling. To make these shots I need my stuff to be 1/2" or less. The hog was shot at 190 yards, shot a few seconds after first sight, dropping the bipod and getting prone pretty quick. The coyote was on the move at 220 yards, in and out of tall yellow grass, I was in a blind with a sand bag folded over a window opening with no rear rest. The AR is a Wilson Combat in 6.5 Creedmoor, factory Hornady ammo. The bolt is a Tikka T3X, in a Bell and Carlson stock with bottom metal from High Desert Rifle Works, factory Hornady ammo. Not sure where this one falls, somewhere a little below high end. 1/2" at the range is what I need to translate into 1-2" in the field.

Come to one of the 22 matches. Not only are they holding 1” at 100 they’re doing it under the clock. Some of our targets are 1” at 100 yards and guys are hitting it over and over in 10-20 MPH wind.

That's wild - I am truly impressed.

My saturdays are filled with kids sports or I would join that league for sure. I finally got a scope on my Anschutz and that thing is freaking lights out.

Yep. The 'net is chock full of guys who think they belong on the Camp Perry winner's podium. It's a freaking joke.

I have 3 hunting rifles that will put up a 3-5 shot group of about .2-.3 at 100 yards be glad to let you shoot one.
It will only do it for one group then you have to let it cool for prolly an hour especially in the summer time before you shoot another string.

I have a few bench rifles that will run a string of 5 in about .2-.3 no problem but when you go to 10 shots it opens up a little.. so the expectations of running a group all day long and agging in the .1’s is extremely difficult even over all the best wind flags and tools in the world. The rifles most of the time are more capable than the shooter for sure.

I don’t run my hunting gun hard, but I can garantee you it’s very accurate and is a 1/4 moa gun for 3-5 shots it has a #4 brux barrel that is fluted so it’s fairly light.

We moved them to Sunday’s this year. We normally have a steady 10-20 MPH wind.

I’d love to see a lot of these guys that are shooting tiny tiny groups with 22’s to come out. Of course we’re “PRS” type shooting and we aren’t shooting for tiny groups, but of course it doesn’t hurt.

We play Black Death at the end of every match at 25 yards. All these guys that say they can put 5 shots in same hole at 25 yards I’d love for them to come out. The Black Death is $5 buy in side bet, nothing to do with the match. 5 shots put them in any target you want without breaking the black.

It’s broken a lot of hearts.

Both my Vudoo and Anschutz can do well below 1" at 100Y if it's not too windy.
I'm sure your Anschutz can do it too.

My Kidd and CZ 452 will shoot in the 0.3s with ammo they like at 50Y but it will open up above 1" at 100Y.

But you have to shoot good ammo.
If you take a Savage 22LR and shoot bulk ammo, it won't work.

That's crazy you were shooting in the future.

At first I was like wtf is he talking about. Then I saw it.

This vls you have that shoots .7” at 100 I’d say you have an issue because the 223 is pretty good shooter and on top of that it’s pretty easy to get a .7 sized group just by throwing stuff together components wise..

How do you load?
What powder?
What style of dies do you use?
What brass, is it new?
What bullet?

I use full length Redding type s bushing die, with a wilson seater with a vld stem in the seating die. I use Imperial sizing wax sparingly. I use a k&m hand primer, and I set my die for a .0015-.0025” shoulder bump and use the appropriate bushing for .002” next tension. I drop all charges on a RCBS charge master with a aluminum insert I made to prevent over charges.
Lapua brass, federal primer with 26ish grains of 748 and a Sierra 52 or 53 smk shoots 1/4” 5 shot group in my Remington varmit, benchmark also shoots lights out with the same bullet in the 26ish range. My rifle is in a bravo chassis and has a Jewell trigger, it has a 20 moa EGW base and has a NXS 5.5-20x on it currently it’s got roughly 4-500 rounds on it and goes to the range every trip I shoot it more than anything I have mostly because it’s so economical to shoot.

All my guns shoot one shot one hole groups

Good catch!! The date was 2020.

This is getting embarrassing
I posted a screenshot from my phone to prove that I'm not shooting in the future.
It ended being a picture of the 50Y group I had shot that day.
Here's the pic of the 100Y again.
I can't believe I made the same mistake (2021) twice and on both targets.
But I can assure you those are legit groups at 50 and 100 yards.

Lapua brass neck sized
CCI400
53gr SMK
H335 from 25 to 27.2 gr
I haven't given up yet. I'm planning to try a few more things.

Jam the bullet, if you have some or can find some benchmark it’s excellent in 223, 748 is good, RL15 is good Varget is good with a full case and a jam with a 55gr vmax

Mine are:

Factory bolt gun, 1inch
Ar 1.5 inches
Garand/m1a/levergun 2-3 inches with irons at 100

All these are 3 or 5 shot groups. I know some people want 10,but for me that isn't an issue

Pistol/revolver: 2/3 inches at 25 offhand


Never had a custom rifle, so i will leave that to others. Also i have had guns that shot better than this, but if they shoot this good i ain't tossing them over accuracy

Good call on the Garand/m1a/lever.
I didn't include anything I didn't have experience with (except BR rifle), but would have liked to include muzzle loader, surplus military rifles, AK (I assume the expectation it would be 3" at 100Y), M1A with scope (rack grade vs custom barrel which I think can do 1MOA)......I guess I did miss a lot.


Also I'd like to clarify one thing. This thread is the expected accuracy. Not how good of a shot you are or how lucky you are to have such an accurate rifle. I'm also guilty in doing that. I posted two groups shot with my Vudoo at 50 and 100 Y that were amazing. BUT those are the best groups I've ever shot and doesn't demonstrate a reasonable expectation out of a high end bolt 22lr.

But I have/had several high end 22lr and all shot 0.8" or better at 100Y with good ammo. That's how I expect a high end 22lr to shoot at 100Y if not windy.

I'm moving to Texas! It must be something in the air out there!

There are several rifles made that will shoot sub MOA but there's not many shooters capable of it when put to the test. A good shooter can make a bad rifle look good, a bad shooter makes a fine rifle look bad. Kind of like putting a thousand dollar saddle on a hundred dollar horse. The average shooter will do well to keep 3 shot's inside 2 inches at a hundred yards with any rifle. One of my best friends has been shooting as long as I have and he still can't shoot under an inch and a half when it comes to punching paper, let me add that he's the best running shot maker I've ever seen. Last time I qualified for my LTC I was amazed at how many fine pistols were on the line and how poorly they were shot.

Shooting pistols is something I pride my self on and have a long history with and that right there is just wishful thinking for the majority of shooters. Maybe from a Ransom Rest you might hit those numbers but from a sand bag rest probably 80-85 percent of shooters are incapable of that. Realistic number for the majority would be keeping any of those pistols inside 3-4 inches at 25 yards.

The smell is obvious.