Forums46
Topics532,290
Posts9,661,907
Members86,539
|
Most Online19,184 Feb 5th, 2020
|
|
|
.22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
#8186810
02/28/21 05:40 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 748
rifle.30cal
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 748 |
Would like to try the NTXR .22 match and looking for info on scope reticle, MOA or mil suggested? Thank you for any info. Randy
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8186816
02/28/21 05:49 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 34,854
Brother in-law
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 34,854 |
Personal preference, it’s about half and half maybe a few more mils.
Make sure you have a lot of vertical travel.
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8186933
02/28/21 07:43 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 40,547
J.G.
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 40,547 |
![[Linked Image]](http://www.precisionriflehunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/garvey.jpg) 800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: J.G.]
#8187075
02/28/21 10:57 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 748
rifle.30cal
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 748 |
That was very definitive. Not to be argumentative but your reasons why so I know. Thank you.
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8187152
03/01/21 12:23 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 568
safarigene
Tracker
|
Tracker
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 568 |
If you are going to shoot any type of competition, most likely the other shooters will be using mils in either their scopes or spotting scopes. Mils in your scope would make calling corrections much easier. Also, mils will typically give you more hold over in the reticle. Just my opinion. Really boils down to what you know best and are most comfortable working with. Once I switched over to mils, I have not looked back.
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8187153
03/01/21 12:23 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 40,547
J.G.
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 40,547 |
The short answer, elevation is slightly easier to use and remember in Mils. Wind is way easier to operate in Mils than MOA.
![[Linked Image]](http://www.precisionriflehunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/garvey.jpg) 800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8187224
03/01/21 01:15 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 9,381
unclebubba
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 9,381 |
1st match I shot was with an MOA scope. If I remember correctly, I was dialing 14.74 MOA to 200 yards (edit:looking back at my notes it was 21.25 MOA!)...and that was with supersonic ammo. I bought a Mil scope and 7.6 MIL gets me to 200 yards with subsonic ammo. Easier to dial. Easier to do holdovers. I hear it's easier to calculate wind too, but evidently I can't calculate wind with either. Lol. In the ntxr, you will have to go from close range to long range in the same setup. Much easier to do that in MILs. I used to think FiremanJG was exaggerating how much better MIL was, and I was reluctant to change. Now that I've tried it, I'm sold.
Last edited by unclebubba; 03/01/21 01:24 AM.
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: unclebubba]
#8187250
03/01/21 01:33 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 748
rifle.30cal
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 748 |
Thank you gentlemen for the great advice. Mils it is. Randy
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8187300
03/01/21 02:05 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 34,854
Brother in-law
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 34,854 |
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: Brother in-law]
#8187589
03/01/21 11:27 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 748
rifle.30cal
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 748 |
Budget approx $400. FFP, MIL, not sure on power. Just started looking, Athlon Argos BTR, Vortex, ?
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8187800
03/01/21 02:43 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 11,945
wp75169
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 11,945 |
Mil is definitely easier but the word precision suggest MOA. When shooting steel I doubt it matters, bulls-eye type competitions I would want MOA. It’s simply a finer adjustment. That’s the absolute only benefit I can think of. I don’t shoot rimfire, and when I do shoot I lose rather spectacularly these days, so take it for what it’s worth.
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8187812
03/01/21 02:50 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 32,749
Buzzsaw
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 32,749 |
MOA Always Nightforce SHV, focuses down to 25 yards, super clear, reticle easy to see and is uncluttered with all that crap. all you will need a good drop chart . if there is wind......  ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/cJnTj08v/IMG_1505.jpg)
SPACE FOR RENT
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8187833
03/01/21 03:06 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 11,945
wp75169
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 11,945 |
Buzz you gonna float him a SHV for his $400 budget? Lol. Good choice though.
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8188156
03/01/21 07:33 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 152
Dub32
Woodsman
|
Woodsman
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 152 |
Just ordered the Athlon Argos BTR 6-24 Mil for my Ruger Precision .22. It fit nicely into my specs, which seem to parallel yours.
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8188517
03/01/21 11:32 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 34,854
Brother in-law
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 34,854 |
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: Brother in-law]
#8188649
03/02/21 01:21 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 748
rifle.30cal
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 748 |
Thanks again for all the suggestions/information. Have to do some research before making a decision.
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8189177
03/02/21 03:19 PM
|
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,942
TAB
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,942 |
Thanks again for all the suggestions/information. Have to do some research before making a decision.
Some of the Bushnell scope mid way has on sale may fit your needs, I have a crimson trace series 3 (I believe) that I purchased specifically for my 22 it has the range in the dial, clarity is pretty good, it’s a 34mm tube and will parallax down to 15 yards I paid right at $500 for it. Mid-way had these on sale for 50-60% off not long ago and I believe they are still the same price. Mine tracks well and I have used it out to 550 yards many times it holds zero well. The turrets are slightly soft and not as positive as I’d like but for the price point it’s light years ahead of vortex.. or any of the other budget scopes.. it is a made in Japan scope as well.
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: rifle.30cal]
#8191497
03/04/21 10:05 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,691
P_102
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,691 |
For those that tout the “easier to dial” argument for MILS, please make sure your audience realizes there are 10 ‘clicks’ in a MIL and 4 in a MOA on most scopes. The difference in the example above, 21.25 MOA vs. 7.6 MILS, is only 9 clicks, less than 1/4 rotation of a turret. Is the MIL easier?, yes.....but not by much. How many people say their gun shoots “less than 1/3 MIL!”
Do not trifle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: P_102]
#8191799
03/04/21 03:18 PM
|
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,942
TAB
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,942 |
For those that tout the “easier to dial” argument for MILS, please make sure your audience realizes there are 10 ‘clicks’ in a MIL and 4 in a MOA on most scopes. The difference in the example above, 21.25 MOA vs. 7.6 MILS, is only 9 clicks, less than 1/4 rotation of a turret. Is the MIL easier?, yes.....but not by much. How many people say their gun shoots “less than 1/3 MIL!”
It truly doesn’t matter MIL’s or moa, you have to have your door for that particular rig. What you said can’t be any more true! Mills are what the whiteclaw, topknot, bitchbiscuit wearing mall ninjas all desires it’s in vogue! My comment is directed at no one as I shoot a 6.5 chase more.. and wear Oakley’s, but that’s my only tendency’s..
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: TAB]
#8193167
03/05/21 05:02 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 40,547
J.G.
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 40,547 |
For those that tout the “easier to dial” argument for MILS, please make sure your audience realizes there are 10 ‘clicks’ in a MIL and 4 in a MOA on most scopes. The difference in the example above, 21.25 MOA vs. 7.6 MILS, is only 9 clicks, less than 1/4 rotation of a turret. Is the MIL easier?, yes.....but not by much. How many people say their gun shoots “less than 1/3 MIL!”
It truly doesn’t matter MIL’s or moa, you have to have your door for that particular rig. What you said can’t be any more true! Mills are what the whiteclaw, topknot, bitchbiscuit wearing mall ninjas all desires it’s in vogue! My comment is directed at no one as I shoot a 6.5 chase more.. and wear Oakley’s, but that’s my only tendency’s.. Mils are easier to teach, and easier to use. Has nothing to do with what is in vogue, or social status.
![[Linked Image]](http://www.precisionriflehunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/garvey.jpg) 800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: J.G.]
#8193988
03/06/21 04:40 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,591
Skylar Mac
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,591 |
For those that tout the “easier to dial” argument for MILS, please make sure your audience realizes there are 10 ‘clicks’ in a MIL and 4 in a MOA on most scopes. The difference in the example above, 21.25 MOA vs. 7.6 MILS, is only 9 clicks, less than 1/4 rotation of a turret. Is the MIL easier?, yes.....but not by much. How many people say their gun shoots “less than 1/3 MIL!”
It truly doesn’t matter MIL’s or moa, you have to have your door for that particular rig. What you said can’t be any more true! Mills are what the whiteclaw, topknot, bitchbiscuit wearing mall ninjas all desires it’s in vogue! My comment is directed at no one as I shoot a 6.5 chase more.. and wear Oakley’s, but that’s my only tendency’s.. Mils are easier to teach, and easier to use. Has nothing to do with what is in vogue, or social status. With all that said, Mils are always in vogue.
|
|
|
Re: .22 precision rifle scope, MOA or Mill
[Re: Skylar Mac]
#8194194
03/06/21 02:06 PM
|
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,942
TAB
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,942 |
For those that tout the “easier to dial” argument for MILS, please make sure your audience realizes there are 10 ‘clicks’ in a MIL and 4 in a MOA on most scopes. The difference in the example above, 21.25 MOA vs. 7.6 MILS, is only 9 clicks, less than 1/4 rotation of a turret. Is the MIL easier?, yes.....but not by much. How many people say their gun shoots “less than 1/3 MIL!”
It truly doesn’t matter MIL’s or moa, you have to have your door for that particular rig. What you said can’t be any more true! Mills are what the whiteclaw, topknot, bitchbiscuit wearing mall ninjas all desires it’s in vogue! My comment is directed at no one as I shoot a 6.5 chase more.. and wear Oakley’s, but that’s my only tendency’s.. Mils are easier to teach, and easier to use. Has nothing to do with what is in vogue, or social status. With all that said, Mils are always in vogue. See I knew it!! No doubt mils would be easier to teach, I didn’t really think of it from a teaching standpoint but then again been shooting a long time..
|
|
|
Moderated by bigbob_ftw, CCBIRDDOGMAN, Chickenman, Derek, DeRico, Duck_Hunter, hetman, jeh7mmmag, JustWingem, kmon11, kry226, kwrhuntinglab, Payne, pertnear, rifleman, sig226fan (Rguns.com), Superduty, txcornhusker
|