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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: Brother in-law] #8184117 02/26/21 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Brother in-law
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I saw it and I thought the dude was wearing body armor initially

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Originally Posted by ImTheReasonDovesMourn
Shot placement is important.


With pistols- shot placement is everything.

Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: RJH1] #8184155 02/26/21 12:54 AM
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It looked like he shot the guy center mass a few times at just a few feet

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The evidence is clear that only direct CNS hits or structural breakage hits (femur, pelvis, etc) are 100% reliable. Everything else is done on a "best effort" basis.


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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: Tactical Cowboy] #8184165 02/26/21 01:00 AM
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2 to the chest 1 to the head

This. He’d of dropped after the 3rd shot but I believe LEO are only “supposed” to shoot to slow down the threat, not kill the threat. I know as a LTC carrier we’re supposed to do the same but if I shot someone 10 times and they’re still coming, there’s 1 sure fire way to stop the threat and that’s head shot.



Yeah....


I know a guy that got shot in the head by the popo, arrested, went to jail, and is out today to tell about it.....

There will always be an anomaly. That scenario is not the norm of head shots. I’ve seen enough to know.


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Looks as if a plan came together , as the Officer started shooting he pretty much stopped getting hit by the stick. The bad guy was a dead man walking and there are many videos like this. More than likely the bad guy was mental or on drugs which makes it even more Interesting. Someone already mentioned heads, necks, and the pelvis will have a faster stopping action and I totally agree and should be practiced.

This Officer was lucky IMO as that guy was real close

Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: LFD2037] #8184183 02/26/21 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LFD2037
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2 to the chest 1 to the head

This. He’d of dropped after the 3rd shot but I believe LEO are only “supposed” to shoot to slow down the threat, not kill the threat. I know as a LTC carrier we’re supposed to do the same but if I shot someone 10 times and they’re still coming, there’s 1 sure fire way to stop the threat and that’s head shot.



Yeah....


I know a guy that got shot in the head by the popo, arrested, went to jail, and is out today to tell about it.....

There will always be an anomaly. That scenario is not the norm of head shots. I’ve seen enough to know.


For sure.

But I've also seen enough people shoot, that I dont think the majority would even be able to hit that guy in the head, one handed, while backing up and trying to dodge a stick....


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Are you sure a headshot is not acceptable in a legitimate self defense scenario?

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Originally Posted by Kevin1
Are you sure a headshot is not acceptable in a legitimate self defense scenario?



Acceptable? Yes.

Attainable by 95% of the population? Probably not.


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Originally Posted by BigPig
2 to the chest 1 to the head


Thank you. At 12 feet a shot to the face seems like it might have produced results. I did not see the video.

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I carry a Glock 23 Gen 4 and with 13 rounds of 180gr HST's I feel safe enough. But it all depends on shot placement and more importantly, proper mind set.

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Interesting responses so far. For those that say after 2 shots to the chest on a moving target, while you are moving, then you would transition to the neck or head of a moving target while you are moving, have you ever attempted anything to simulate that? If so, did you attempt it with your carry gun?


I think even at the short ranges we are talking about, transitioning to a head shot on a moving target, while you are moving with a compact gun, while attempting to not get hit with a stick, or for instance stuck with a knife, may be considerably harder than you realize. I suggest you try it at speed at 3 steps and see how you do. I would think if you could do 3 shots in under a second, that might translate into being able to doing under stress.

And 3 shots in a second isn't that fast, shot one would start the clock, 2 should happen under .3 seconds and that would give you .7 for the transition and the head shot. If that sounds tough, remember neither you or the target are moving.

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Originally Posted by RJH1
Interesting responses so far. For those that say after 2 shots to the chest on a moving target, while you are moving, then you would transition to the neck or head of a moving target while you are moving, have you ever attempted anything to simulate that? If so, did you attempt it with your carry gun?


I think even at the short ranges we are talking about, transitioning to a head shot on a moving target, while you are moving with a compact gun, while attempting to not get hit with a stick, or for instance stuck with a knife, may be considerably harder than you realize. I suggest you try it at speed at 3 steps and see how you do. I would think if you could do 3 shots in under a second, that might translate into being able to doing under stress.

And 3 shots in a second isn't that fast, shot one would start the clock, 2 should happen under .3 seconds and that would give you .7 for the transition and the head shot. If that sounds tough, remember neither you or the target are moving.

Pistol up, Safety off, aim, 2 to the chest 1 to the head. Safety on, low ready, repeat. That's how I practice. Hopefully I've practiced it enough that if I ever have to do it, I'll be able to. I pray I'll never have to.
And yes, I can do it in 1 second at typical self defense distances.
My carry is a p938. 7+1, and no, I haven't considered switching to a full size with more capacity. Sometimes I even carry a revolver with even less capacity.

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Originally Posted by unclebubba
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Interesting responses so far. For those that say after 2 shots to the chest on a moving target, while you are moving, then you would transition to the neck or head of a moving target while you are moving, have you ever attempted anything to simulate that? If so, did you attempt it with your carry gun?


I think even at the short ranges we are talking about, transitioning to a head shot on a moving target, while you are moving with a compact gun, while attempting to not get hit with a stick, or for instance stuck with a knife, may be considerably harder than you realize. I suggest you try it at speed at 3 steps and see how you do. I would think if you could do 3 shots in under a second, that might translate into being able to doing under stress.

And 3 shots in a second isn't that fast, shot one would start the clock, 2 should happen under .3 seconds and that would give you .7 for the transition and the head shot. If that sounds tough, remember neither you or the target are moving.

Pistol up, Safety off, aim, 2 to the chest 1 to the head. Safety on, low ready, repeat. That's how I practice. Hopefully I've practiced it enough that if I ever have to do it, I'll be able to. I pray I'll never have to.
And yes, I can do it in 1 second at typical self defense distances.
My carry is a p938. 7+1, and no, I haven't considered switching to a full size with more capacity. Sometimes I even carry a revolver with even less capacity.



Good deal, next can you do it walking backwards? And what about while walking sideways?

The target still won't be moving, but at least you would be

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Originally Posted by RJH1

So, thoughts or opinions?


That did not make me rethink my carry gun. Mine is comfortable, reliable, powerful, and most of all It is an extension of my hand. I do not care to spend money, time , ammo and brain cells to change because I saw a random video.

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Originally Posted by RJH1
Interesting responses so far. For those that say after 2 shots to the chest on a moving target, while you are moving, then you would transition to the neck or head of a moving target while you are moving, have you ever attempted anything to simulate that? If so, did you attempt it with your carry gun?


I think even at the short ranges we are talking about, transitioning to a head shot on a moving target, while you are moving with a compact gun, while attempting to not get hit with a stick, or for instance stuck with a knife, may be considerably harder than you realize. I suggest you try it at speed at 3 steps and see how you do. I would think if you could do 3 shots in under a second, that might translate into being able to doing under stress.

And 3 shots in a second isn't that fast, shot one would start the clock, 2 should happen under .3 seconds and that would give you .7 for the transition and the head shot. If that sounds tough, remember neither you or the target are moving.


Yes Ive done it, on a paper target, up to 15 yards while side stepping, approaching and moving away front the target. It’s hard, takes practice and concentration, but it’s doable, especially at the distance the referenced shooting happened.

The idea behind 2 to the chest and 1 to the head is the influx of body armor used bad criminals and who knows who else.

When in a situation that dictates the use of deadly force, the job is to “stop the threat” and if the threat happens to die during that process of being stopped, well that’s just part of it.


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Originally Posted by RJH1
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Interesting responses so far. For those that say after 2 shots to the chest on a moving target, while you are moving, then you would transition to the neck or head of a moving target while you are moving, have you ever attempted anything to simulate that? If so, did you attempt it with your carry gun?


I think even at the short ranges we are talking about, transitioning to a head shot on a moving target, while you are moving with a compact gun, while attempting to not get hit with a stick, or for instance stuck with a knife, may be considerably harder than you realize. I suggest you try it at speed at 3 steps and see how you do. I would think if you could do 3 shots in under a second, that might translate into being able to doing under stress.

And 3 shots in a second isn't that fast, shot one would start the clock, 2 should happen under .3 seconds and that would give you .7 for the transition and the head shot. If that sounds tough, remember neither you or the target are moving.

Pistol up, Safety off, aim, 2 to the chest 1 to the head. Safety on, low ready, repeat. That's how I practice. Hopefully I've practiced it enough that if I ever have to do it, I'll be able to. I pray I'll never have to.
And yes, I can do it in 1 second at typical self defense distances.
My carry is a p938. 7+1, and no, I haven't considered switching to a full size with more capacity. Sometimes I even carry a revolver with even less capacity.



Good deal, next can you do it walking backwards? And what about while walking sideways?

The target still won't be moving, but at least you would be

I'm pretty confident in my abilities. Confident enough that when the gun comes up, muscle memory kinda takes over.

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Nope I carry my 26 or 19 depending on day and what im wearing. I also work closely with LEO. I can tell you this, the officer cant retreat unless there is no other option. Once they fire they have to get control of the subject. As a citizen I can shoot and retreat and get to safety, I do not have to render aid or detain the person. They may be moving after my gun goes dry but I promise they wont be moving as well as I can. But if all that fails I feel confident in my hand to hand skills to survive.

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The main thing i think i took from this video for me is the NEED to transition if what you are doing isn't working. While i have practiced Mozambique drills, and even moving headshots on moving targets, i don't think i have ever really considered the NEED to switch from center mass to head/hip in an actual possible gunfight, even though i new it could a possibility. For me this video shows a slight change in mindset would be more beneficial than a change in equipment at this time

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