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Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
#8183713
02/25/21 04:52 PM
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I am attempting to retry this way in a manner that doesn't get the thread tossed, as i think it is an interesting and possibly important topic, so hopefully this is OK
There was an officer involved shooting a little while back where the officer shot a guy 12 times at just a few feet and the guy just kept walking forward like nothing was happening. If the officer would have had a lower round count gun, IDK what the result would have been. From what i have gathered, the gun used was a G17, but I cannot guarantee that. I will not post a link to the video and ask that no one else does either, as I *think* that is why my post on this a couple of days ago got tossed.
So, thoughts or opinions?
And mods, I hope i did this in a way that is OK
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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#8183724
02/25/21 05:04 PM
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Uncle Zeek
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My primary carry gun is a 45acp with Cor-bon +P 230 grain rounds. My alternate (for days when I'm in sweats pants or such) is a little bitty Taurus 38 Special revolver. It also has +P hollowpoints. I would hope to God that it would take only 2 or 3 hits from that to stop someone in their tracks.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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#8183747
02/25/21 05:20 PM
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DeRico
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If anything next time post this topic to the bunker.
Anyway
It's insane to think someone can absorb 12 rounds of duty ammo(if they were loaded), without repercussion or damage. It's possible that the HP's(guessing he was loaded with em) the officer was using got clogged and didn't expand. Only the Officer would know, but carrying FMJ's is sort of the final deal if you don't have HP's. Also at what point does it become relevant to take fatal shots at the upper body?
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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#8183748
02/25/21 05:20 PM
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My primary carry gun is a Shadow Systems MR920 with a 15 round mag full of Federal HST 147gr HP and an extra 15 round mag full of the same carried appendix in a "side car" type holster. On days I have to wear slacks and tucked in shirt, which is once or twice a month, I carry a G43X which only has a 10 round mag, but looking to get some of the Shield Arms mags that hold 15 rounds for the G43X, they're just hard to come by right now. I also shoot the full size gun much better than the smaller 43X, which is why I carry it vs the 43X.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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#8183761
02/25/21 05:36 PM
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Shot placement is important.
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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#8183773
02/25/21 05:44 PM
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patriot07
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I saw that video and it did make me re-think it. But I've got my 8-shot Shield and I'm rolling with it.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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#8183780
02/25/21 05:49 PM
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Traildust
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I carry a G19 or 43X with 15+rounds of 124gr Gold Dots. If that doesn't get the job done.....I guess it's just my time to meet my maker.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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#8183784
02/25/21 05:51 PM
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There was an officer involved shooting a little while back where the officer shot a guy 12 times at just a few feet and the guy just kept walking forward like nothing was happening.
I do my best to avoid making decisions based on exceptions but rather on what has proven to hold true in the vast majority of cases.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#8183789
02/25/21 05:54 PM
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DocHorton
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Shot placement is important. Did you see the video?
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
[Re: DeRico]
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02/25/21 05:58 PM
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If anything next time post this topic to the bunker.
Anyway
It's insane to think someone can absorb 12 rounds of duty ammo(if they were loaded), without repercussion or damage. It's possible that the HP's(guessing he was loaded with em) the officer was using got clogged and didn't expand. Only the Officer would know, but carrying FMJ's is sort of the final deal if you don't have HP's. Also at what point does it become relevant to take fatal shots at the upper body? I have never figured out how to get to the bunker
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/25/21 05:59 PM
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Shot placement is important. Basically all in the chest from about 3 to 5 foot is what the video looked like.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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02/25/21 06:01 PM
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There was an officer involved shooting a little while back where the officer shot a guy 12 times at just a few feet and the guy just kept walking forward like nothing was happening.
I do my best to avoid making decisions based on exceptions but rather on what has proven to hold true in the vast majority of cases. I used to think that way too. I had changed my mind long before this video came out though. Seems to be way too many exceptions
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/25/21 06:08 PM
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Most people don't realize that handguns are incredibly weak and they also don't think about the actual mechanism of death when a person gets shot. When a person or animal gets shot they can continue running around doing whatever they want until they bleed out, sustaine damage to the central nervous system that shuts down everything past it, or there are major structural issues such as a broken joint. As long as the will exist to keep moving and theyre is still oxygen going to the brain and the skeleton has not been damaged enough to cause structural failure then nothing will stop a person or animal from moving after they've been shot if they want to move.
The man that you're describing expired within 30 seconds of taking the first shot. If someone is coming at you and you've already shot them with no response then assume they're wearing body armor and shoot them in either the throat, head, or pelvis. Throat wounds are usually fatal quite quickly and have the potential to drop someone on the spot if they take a bullet through the spine. Head wounds are weird; I've seen people missing half their skull windmilling and their arms and running in circles. Pelvic wounds normally drop a person on the spot. They may be able to keep firing when they're down but they're not really going to move much and they bleed out really fast.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/25/21 06:15 PM
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Tactical Cowboy
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Nah, I'll just judy chop em.
The secret to a long life is to try not to shorten it.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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#8183816
02/25/21 06:24 PM
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i saw the video.
its quite possible the guy was high on some kind of narcotic but I could not believe the cop did a mag dump into the perp at that range and he kept on coming with a creepy grin on his face. I was quite suprised at that and I'm not under any false illusion that a 9mm pistol is some kind of hammer, but I would have expected results quicker. Its hard to say what a person would have done in that situation but I hope if i was put in that scenario I would have the wherewithal after the first 3 shots to brain him or as mentioned previously, shoot him in the throat
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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#8183823
02/25/21 06:30 PM
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That's why I sold all my guns. Completely ineffective
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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#8183847
02/25/21 06:59 PM
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DeRico
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Anybody see the video of the guy take a nice shot of bear mace to the face and shrug it off like it was fire sauce from TB? If anything next time post this topic to the bunker.
Anyway
It's insane to think someone can absorb 12 rounds of duty ammo(if they were loaded), without repercussion or damage. It's possible that the HP's(guessing he was loaded with em) the officer was using got clogged and didn't expand. Only the Officer would know, but carrying FMJ's is sort of the final deal if you don't have HP's. Also at what point does it become relevant to take fatal shots at the upper body? I have never figured out how to get to the bunker Standby for access, if not then contact a mod.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
[Re: patriot07]
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02/25/21 07:10 PM
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I saw that video and it did make me re-think it. But I've got my 8-shot Shield and I'm rolling with it. I'm carrying a Shield as well, 115 gr HTTP +P loads. If I put the first three center mass and the perp is still coming, then I'm either going upper chest/head area or lower torso with 1-2. Then I'm keeping the last couple of rounds while I try to create distance or as a last resort inside of three feet.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
[Re: DeRico]
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02/25/21 07:25 PM
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Tactical Cowboy
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Anybody see the video of the guy take a nice shot of bear mace to the face and shrug it off like it was fire sauce from TB? If anything next time post this topic to the bunker.
Anyway
It's insane to think someone can absorb 12 rounds of duty ammo(if they were loaded), without repercussion or damage. It's possible that the HP's(guessing he was loaded with em) the officer was using got clogged and didn't expand. Only the Officer would know, but carrying FMJ's is sort of the final deal if you don't have HP's. Also at what point does it become relevant to take fatal shots at the upper body? I have never figured out how to get to the bunker Standby for access, if not then contact a mod. Is there a secret subforum that I never knew about?
The secret to a long life is to try not to shorten it.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/25/21 07:28 PM
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2 to the chest 1 to the head
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/25/21 07:40 PM
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Nah, I'll just judy chop em. Don't go Ninja'n nobody that don't need no ninja'n.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/25/21 07:51 PM
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Xds .45 hydro shocks.
Delta elite 10mm.
Nope I hope I am good, mainly hope and pray I will never have to find out.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/25/21 11:25 PM
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2 to the chest 1 to the head This. He’d of dropped after the 3rd shot but I believe LEO are only “supposed” to shoot to slow down the threat, not kill the threat. I know as a LTC carrier we’re supposed to do the same but if I shot someone 10 times and they’re still coming, there’s 1 sure fire way to stop the threat and that’s head shot.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/26/21 12:01 AM
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2 to the chest 1 to the head This. He’d of dropped after the 3rd shot but I believe LEO are only “supposed” to shoot to slow down the threat, not kill the threat. I know as a LTC carrier we’re supposed to do the same but if I shot someone 10 times and they’re still coming, there’s 1 sure fire way to stop the threat and that’s head shot. Yeah.... I know a guy that got shot in the head by the popo, arrested, went to jail, and is out today to tell about it.....
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/26/21 12:10 AM
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