I actually know an educated man who paid $5,000 to have a curse lifted from him that was from a Jamaican woman.
He was from Jamaica also.
I guess it's not if it is true, it is if you believe it is true.

Is the category of magic always associated with Satan or evil? Can it be associated with God or goodness?

13 of you Jack wagons votes "yes"...

Nope.

When people in Ephesus came to know Christ, they brought their magic books and publicly burned them as a sign that they were trading the dark power of sorcery for the holy power of the Spirit
Acts 19:19, Look it up.
In Revelation 21:8 those who practice black magic are warned of God’s judgment in no uncertain terms: “Those who practice magic arts . . . will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Thanks for those Bible verses. Wouldn’t this be validation that sorcery actually works?

In case it comes up I voted no

lol, you aint seen nothing yet.

Nope

Elaborate a bit for my pea brain.

I voted no but voodoo pu_ _ y is real. I have seen it put a hell of a hex on more than one man....

It very much “works.” The devils and his minions are extremely powerful. The devil is the prince of this earth. You mix that with humans who desire, delve, and worship this prince you can see it’s workings all around us.

However, these powers cannot be used against the saved or believers in Christ. The powers of satan have to be chosen and accepted. Now, if you will look around you will see how they try to influence and win new recruits. Television and movies sell it constantly and make it appear desirable. The sell it under the motto of, it’s just make believe, it’s just tv. It’s not.

Does the Bible preach against things that are not real or do not exist? If the Bible preaches against such activities then they must be valid/real.

Nah. Not particularly into religion or magic or any of it really.

Valid and real are not the same. The Bible verses only prove that the idea of sorcery and magic was present at that time and there were people who tried to practice it. It doesn't in anyway mean that it actually worked.

I knew someone that needed to borrow $2500 to have a hex removed. This seems to be part of the culture in some communities. Seeing signs for psychic, reader, spiritualist, tarot, or medium are common in some parts.
I went into a voodoo shop one time in New Orleans. I though I was some "off the beating path" souvenir shop. I milled around looking at all manner of spices, odd stuff in containers and hanging from the ceiling. It started feeling creepy and too real, I decided to move along.

My magic 8 ball said NO

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Valid and real are not the same. The Bible verses only prove that the idea of sorcery and magic was present at that time and there were people who tried to practice it. It doesn't in anyway mean that it actually worked. [/quote]

This makes no sense to me. Pretty much a play on semantics with the two words. This train of thought basically puts the entire Word of God to speculation. Well it talks about it, the idea existed, but doesn’t mean it happened. The Word of God is divine inspiration. The Bible talks about sorcery almost from the beginning to the end. It is listed right among many extreme sinful actions. It even says a sorcerer shall not be allowed to live.

When the anti christ comes out on earth he will be one of the greatest sorcerers ever. He will perform acts many will believe are divine and supernatural. Yet he will be evil. The secret arts are real, and they are from satan himself. That is not the question. The question is who can be impacted by them. Answer, those who open themselves up to these secret arts.

The Bible verses only prove that the idea of Christianity was present at that time and there were people who tried to practice it. It doesn't in anyway mean that it actually worked.

A substitution was made in quoting you. This thread has taken an interesting turn in a direction I would have never thought about. I'm a Christian, believe in God given miracles as well as divine intervention. I've experienced them. But my philosophical nature tells me there would have to be an antithesis. Therefore, to believe in the power of prayer for example, one would also have to acknowledge the power of harnessing darkness.

I changed my mind on Haints. Last night I dreamed that my daddy was still alive and a Haint talked him into building a 4 strand bob wor fence around a pasture, by bolting two 2X4s together. We came to a brushy area, and were debating if we should cut off the area or staple it wor to a sapling. I woke up to go to the John and returned still dreaming. I put Sis on the ground in a NASTRA trial. She pointed 3 bobwhites and won the trial. The Haint was wrong because Sis did not have papers. Only registered bird dogs are allowed to participate in NSTRA trials.

I later dreamed I was in bed with a beautiful blond and woke up. There was no way I could dream her back. I tried but just could not do it. I promise you that I am not making this up.

My opinion on that is, to the people of ephesus, magic and sorcery, was their god. It's What they're faith was in. and Exodus 20:3 clearly states, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me".

Did somebody say voodoo?

That's a terrible argument. The entire story of the truth of Christianity is laid out throughout the Bible.

A few verses that mention people practicing magic doesn't mean the magic actually worked.

There are accounts throughout the Bible of people worshiping other "gods" does that mean they are real just because they were mentioned?

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That's a terrible argument. The entire story of the truth of Christianity is laid out throughout the Bible.

A few verses that mention people practicing magic doesn't mean the magic actually worked.

There are accounts throughout the Bible of people worshiping other "gods" does that mean they are real just because they were mentioned? [/quote]

Once again, you are mistaken I believe. There are numerous verses dealing with sorcery. There are examples of other sorcerers actually performing acts. Read Exodus 7-10:12. We read in Revelation where the anti christ can perform “miracles.”

Second, your definition of god is obviously off key. A god can be numerous things and not necessarily a “being.” Money is a classic example of a god. Any thing that is put before Yahweh, the one true God can be classified as a god.

I do not know or understand where you are getting the basis of you statements, but am curious if you care to explain.