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Finally....... a few are getting their asssses called out on this BS. Please read the entire page. Well worth the 5 minutes.

https://www.texaspolicy.com/correcting-the-record-why-texas-blackouts-occurred/


While Texas attempts to identify the causes of the tragic blackouts this week and the sources of mismanagement, it’s clear that poor policy decisions are the root of the problem. Texas has lost significant fossil fuel generation capacity over the past several years and instead counted on nearly 20,000 MW of new wind and solar generation to satisfy steadily rising electricity demand. It has been known for years that a weather event combining low wind and solar production and record demand could lead to blackouts. This week, that event became reality as new wind and solar generation failed to produce when it was needed the most.

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Originally Posted by 7mag
Finally....... a few are getting their asssses called out on this BS. Please read the entire page. Well worth the 5 minutes.

https://www.texaspolicy.com/correcting-the-record-why-texas-blackouts-occurred/


While Texas attempts to identify the causes of the tragic blackouts this week and the sources of mismanagement, it’s clear that poor policy decisions are the root of the problem. Texas has lost significant fossil fuel generation capacity over the past several years and instead counted on nearly 20,000 MW of new wind and solar generation to satisfy steadily rising electricity demand. It has been known for years that a weather event combining low wind and solar production and record demand could lead to blackouts. This week, that event became reality as new wind and solar generation failed to produce when it was needed the most.


The power plant which should be our most reliable source failed us.

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You know what never gets too cold? Nuclear.




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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
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Finally....... a few are getting their asssses called out on this BS. Please read the entire page. Well worth the 5 minutes.

https://www.texaspolicy.com/correcting-the-record-why-texas-blackouts-occurred/


While Texas attempts to identify the causes of the tragic blackouts this week and the sources of mismanagement, it’s clear that poor policy decisions are the root of the problem. Texas has lost significant fossil fuel generation capacity over the past several years and instead counted on nearly 20,000 MW of new wind and solar generation to satisfy steadily rising electricity demand. It has been known for years that a weather event combining low wind and solar production and record demand could lead to blackouts. This week, that event became reality as new wind and solar generation failed to produce when it was needed the most.


The power plant which should be our most reliable source failed us.


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Power plants, did not fail us..............................
Ya can't run..... What's been shut down.........
But the dam people, running this cluster, sure did............. mad


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Originally Posted by TXHOGSLAYER
You know what never gets too cold? Nuclear.

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Originally Posted by pertnear
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You know what never gets too cold? Nuclear.

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And clean. The one thing France can take pride in....

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
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You know what never gets too cold? Nuclear.

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And clean. The one thing France can take pride in....



They fail too.

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Operators have restarted the Unit 1 reactor, which is currently at about 5% capacity, said Victor Dricks, senior public affairs officer with the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

They are working to reconnect to the electric grid.

The most recent outage of a South Texas Nuclear Project reactor was on May 1, 2016.

About 5:30 a.m. Monday, workers at the South Texas Nuclear Project shutdown the Unit 1 reactor because of freezing water, said Matagorda County Judge Nate McDonald.

The reactor has a 1,350 megawatt generation capacity and was expected to come back online at about 10 p.m. Tuesday. The full generating capacity cannot be reached immediately as it needs to “coast back up” to a normal generating level while workers monitor the reactor.

Workers manually shutoff the reactor Monday out of precaution for “safety before profit.”

The Unit 2 reactor remains online at full generating capacity.

South Texas Nuclear Project officials have not responded to requests for comment.


https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/co...126430a-709a-11eb-a770-cb3d1f5f9219.html

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The power plants that failed us is where the power you are using now is coming from. It's not wind or solar. If wind and solar are producing it is a minute amount.

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Originally Posted by GreenAggie
The power plants that failed us is where the power you are using now is coming from. It's not wind or solar. If wind and solar are producing it is a minute amount.



Wind and solar failed too.

When Texas has 20% of the grid depending on wind and solar, that decision was a failure as well.

Other generating options failed too. But wind and solar didn't even get out of the starting gate.

Time to put emotions aside and start using common sense policies to insure it doesn't happen again.

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The end answer is going to be a combination of factors, increased demand from unprecedented low temps across the entire state, coupled with decreased production.

Decreased production was three fold:
1. Decreased production from wind and solar, the wind turbines froze up and the solar batteries become way less efficient in the cold. These factors led to decreased “green” energy production
2. Power plants were not properly winterized, and caused a drop in production including at least one nuclear plant. This led to decreased production. Permanent winterizing was a possibility but the decisions were made to save money for what turns out to be a once a decade issue.
3. Texas is the only state on its own energy grid. Had we been tied to other states we could have just drawn some extra energy from surrounding states. Not sure we could have drawn enough, but we will never know.

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Evidently the other grids winterized their equipment. They are not having the massive failure Texas is experiencing. ERCOT is responsible for the integrity of the grid. Bad all the way around.

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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
The end answer is going to be a combination of factors, increased demand from unprecedented low temps across the entire state, coupled with decreased production.

Decreased production was three fold:
1. Decreased production from wind and solar, the wind turbines froze up and the solar batteries become way less efficient in the cold. These factors led to decreased “green” energy production
2. Power plants were not properly winterized, and caused a drop in production including at least one nuclear plant. This led to decreased production. Permanent winterizing was a possibility but the decisions were made to save money for what turns out to be a once a decade issue.
3. Texas is the only state on its own energy grid. Had we been tied to other states we could have just drawn some extra energy from surrounding states. Not sure we could have drawn enough, but we will never know.



We shouldn't have to pull from other states...


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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
The end answer is going to be a combination of factors, increased demand from unprecedented low temps across the entire state, coupled with decreased production.

Decreased production was three fold:
1. Decreased production from wind and solar, the wind turbines froze up and the solar batteries become way less efficient in the cold. These factors led to decreased “green” energy production
2. Power plants were not properly winterized, and caused a drop in production including at least one nuclear plant. This led to decreased production. Permanent winterizing was a possibility but the decisions were made to save money for what turns out to be a once a decade issue.
3. Texas is the only state on its own energy grid. Had we been tied to other states we could have just drawn some extra energy from surrounding states. Not sure we could have drawn enough, but we will never know.



Yep

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Originally Posted by GreenAggie
Evidently the other grids winterized their equipment. They are not having the massive failure Texas is experiencing. ERCOT is responsible for the integrity of the grid. Bad all the way around.


This will be the ultimate answer. Had ercot put in place permanent winterizing facilities, we would have been fine even with the green failures.

Expect to see some increased costs for these hard costs...

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Originally Posted by GreenAggie
Evidently the other grids winterized their equipment. They are not having the massive failure Texas is experiencing. ERCOT is responsible for the integrity of the grid. Bad all the way around.


My god! If the grid is 47 states wide you have a very very large area to pull from if one area is affected.....

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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
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Evidently the other grids winterized their equipment. They are not having the massive failure Texas is experiencing. ERCOT is responsible for the integrity of the grid. Bad all the way around.


This will be the ultimate answer. Had ercot put in place permanent winterizing facilities, we would have been fine even with the green failures.

Expect to see some increased costs for these hard costs...


Not Ercot, power plants.... I dont know what or how much control Ercot has over power plants.

My thinking if Texas isolates itself with its own grid, it should of the extra mile to insure it will be able to handle once in a decade storm.... things should change going forward. Sometime it takes getting kicked in the teeth to learn a lesson. Hopefully we will learn....... its gonna cost everyone though.

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
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Originally Posted by GreenAggie
Evidently the other grids winterized their equipment. They are not having the massive failure Texas is experiencing. ERCOT is responsible for the integrity of the grid. Bad all the way around.


This will be the ultimate answer. Had ercot put in place permanent winterizing facilities, we would have been fine even with the green failures.

Expect to see some increased costs for these hard costs...


Not Ercot, power plants.... I dont know what or how much control Ercot has over power plants.

My thinking if Texas isolates itself with its own grid, it should of the extra mile to insure it will be able to handle once in a decade storm.... things should change going forward. Sometime it takes getting kicked in the teeth to learn a lesson. Hopefully we will learn....... its gonna cost everyone though.


If I remember hearing correctly EROCT just "suggested" they winterize, it was up to the plants to do those upgrades.


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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
Originally Posted by GreenAggie
Evidently the other grids winterized their equipment. They are not having the massive failure Texas is experiencing. ERCOT is responsible for the integrity of the grid. Bad all the way around.


This will be the ultimate answer. Had ercot put in place permanent winterizing facilities, we would have been fine even with the green failures.

Expect to see some increased costs for these hard costs...


Not Ercot, power plants.... I dont know what or how much control Ercot has over power plants.

My thinking if Texas isolates itself with its own grid, it should of the extra mile to insure it will be able to handle once in a decade storm.... things should change going forward. Sometime it takes getting kicked in the teeth to learn a lesson. Hopefully we will learn....... its gonna cost everyone though.


I would say ERCOT probably has a decent say considering their name is literally Electric Reliability Council of Texas....kind of their entire point of existence....

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
Originally Posted by GreenAggie
Evidently the other grids winterized their equipment. They are not having the massive failure Texas is experiencing. ERCOT is responsible for the integrity of the grid. Bad all the way around.


This will be the ultimate answer. Had ercot put in place permanent winterizing facilities, we would have been fine even with the green failures.

Expect to see some increased costs for these hard costs...


Not Ercot, power plants.... I dont know what or how much control Ercot has over power plants.

My thinking if Texas isolates itself with its own grid, it should of the extra mile to insure it will be able to handle once in a decade storm.... things should change going forward. Sometime it takes getting kicked in the teeth to learn a lesson. Hopefully we will learn....... its gonna cost everyone though.


I dont know exactly either, but hearing the leader of ercot on the news earlier the week, he made is sound like they made the choice not to permanently winterize to save money, knowing this kind of an issue comes about once every ten years (89, 11, 21). He was almost giggling about the decision. Kind of creepy honestly, knowing how many folks were really hurting from that decision.

So whether it is ercot that is in charge or the individual power plants i dont know, but my bet is we will see some hardened facilities like the states around us who arent having these issues, and we will all pay for it (again).

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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
Originally Posted by GreenAggie
Evidently the other grids winterized their equipment. They are not having the massive failure Texas is experiencing. ERCOT is responsible for the integrity of the grid. Bad all the way around.


This will be the ultimate answer. Had ercot put in place permanent winterizing facilities, we would have been fine even with the green failures.

Expect to see some increased costs for these hard costs...


Not Ercot, power plants.... I dont know what or how much control Ercot has over power plants.

My thinking if Texas isolates itself with its own grid, it should of the extra mile to insure it will be able to handle once in a decade storm.... things should change going forward. Sometime it takes getting kicked in the teeth to learn a lesson. Hopefully we will learn....... its gonna cost everyone though.


I dont know exactly either, but hearing the leader of ercot on the news earlier the week, he made is sound like they made the choice not to permanently winterize to save money, knowing this kind of an issue comes about once every ten years (89, 11, 21). He was almost giggling about the decision. Kind of creepy honestly, knowing how many folks were really hurting from that decision.

So whether it is ercot that is in charge or the individual power plants i dont know, but my bet is we will see some hardened facilities like the states around us who arent having these issues, and we will all pay for it (again).


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The REAL big story is natural gas supply freezing up. Those power plants ended up shutting down because they don't seem to have any local storage. Same with the supply of natural gas for heating. Everybody seems to have decided to run straight from the non-winterized pipelines.

That loss was larger than the windmills.

In any case, the loss from windmills, nuclear and natural gas combined with power companies that can't see any farther ahead than the next quarterly report are all at fault. Can't just blame wind and solar.


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Originally Posted by Longhunter
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The end answer is going to be a combination of factors, increased demand from unprecedented low temps across the entire state, coupled with decreased production.

Decreased production was three fold:
1. Decreased production from wind and solar, the wind turbines froze up and the solar batteries become way less efficient in the cold. These factors led to decreased “green” energy production
2. Power plants were not properly winterized, and caused a drop in production including at least one nuclear plant. This led to decreased production. Permanent winterizing was a possibility but the decisions were made to save money for what turns out to be a once a decade issue.
3. Texas is the only state on its own energy grid. Had we been tied to other states we could have just drawn some extra energy from surrounding states. Not sure we could have drawn enough, but we will never know.



We shouldn't have to pull from other states...



I sure don't have a problem with Texas being on it's own grid.

But we definitely need to harden our generating sources.

ERCOT has failed us all. They need to go away, or be drastically restructured.

Their ongoing failures in these winter blasts are getting worse, not better.

Time to change something.

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It's amazing people continue to say renewables failed us and it's why we're here. 20% of our power comes from Solar/Wind. 10+% of that has been operating. The rest is "thermal" of which 40% was not available at the low point. Even a nuclear plant was frozen out somehow, it's coming back online now.

It's simple.... we/they haven't paid to winterize the infrastructure. There's no incentive for any provider to do so for a once every 10 year event. All of this happened in 2011, you'd think we would learn our lesson?

Why all the complaining anyway? According to our ex-Governor Texans are willing to freeze their asses off for 3+ days to keep our grid vs throw a line over a state border.

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Originally Posted by BbarVRanch
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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
The end answer is going to be a combination of factors, increased demand from unprecedented low temps across the entire state, coupled with decreased production.

Decreased production was three fold:
1. Decreased production from wind and solar, the wind turbines froze up and the solar batteries become way less efficient in the cold. These factors led to decreased “green” energy production
2. Power plants were not properly winterized, and caused a drop in production including at least one nuclear plant. This led to decreased production. Permanent winterizing was a possibility but the decisions were made to save money for what turns out to be a once a decade issue.
3. Texas is the only state on its own energy grid. Had we been tied to other states we could have just drawn some extra energy from surrounding states. Not sure we could have drawn enough, but we will never know.



We shouldn't have to pull from other states...



I sure don't have a problem with Texas being on it's own grid.

But we definitely need to harden our generating sources.

ERCOT has failed us all. They need to go away, or be drastically restructured.

Their ongoing failures in these winter blasts are getting worse, not better.

Time to change something.

Lol, does anyone know what power Ercot has over power plants.

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