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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 04:49 PM
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Unless it was invested as poorly as possible, nobody's 401k even had a blip from this. Also, screw hedgefunds. In all honesty the financial market is an extreme mess and should never have gone beyond simple buying/selling stocks. There is WAY too much room for manipulation. ?? All 3 market indexs have been down because of this. Dow nasdaq and s&p. If your 401k isnt effected by any of the 3 your not in the market Still within 3% of the all-time high from a couple of weeks ago. This is a nothingburger, if it greatly affected your 401k your either have a tiny balance or are poorly invested beyond any measure.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 04:50 PM
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In the short term, what the Reddit guys did to the market is funny, and cost a lot of rich hedge fund managers and their clients billions. But the SEC will need to make changes to avoid these astronomical unwarranted swings in the future. It's essentially "pump and dump" using social media which is illegal and unethical. For everyone that makes a killing, someone else will get burned. We can't have a bunch of millennials sitting in chat rooms causing false runs (or sales) on a stock they want to profit from. In the long run this really will end up impacting peoples 401Ks and IRA's. The ripple effect is already being seen in the global markets as groups in asia and europe are copying the same "short targeting" strategies as fast as they can before the local authorities shut it down. Just my .02 cents folks. I disagree, it's same things instructional investors have done for year's to each other. The biggest difference is Reddit guys didn't release any bad press etc to do any thing to cause a short of the stock. They simply noticed there was an abnormallly large % of short positions compared to shares. No different the montleyfool or any other firm advising a stock is oversold or a bargain.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 05:07 PM
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For everyone that makes a killing, someone else will get burned. And again - you are completely MISSING the point - these "chat room millennials" are NOT out to pump and dump and make a profit. The talking heads are telling you that to protect big money. If you actually take 10 seconds to go read what they're saying you will see that. Nope. Not missing the point at all. The net game is a classic pump and dump where the late investors are going to get torched. They justify it by saying only hedge fund managers are getting burned. But that will not be the case. They are just among the folks that will get burned before it's over. If Jordon Belfort (Wolf of Wallstreet) calls it a pump and dump, will you take his word for it? He made the strategy famous, and did prison time for it to boot. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...p-wolf-wall-street-belfort-b1794344.html
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 05:13 PM
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For everyone that makes a killing, someone else will get burned. And again - you are completely MISSING the point - these "chat room millennials" are NOT out to pump and dump and make a profit. The talking heads are telling you that to protect big money. If you actually take 10 seconds to go read what they're saying you will see that. Nope. Not missing the point at all. The net game is a classic pump and dump where the late investors are going to get torched. They justify it by saying only hedge fund managers are getting burned. But that will not be the case. They are just among the folks that will get burned before it's over. If Jordon Belfort (Wolf of Wallstreet) calls it a pump and dump, will you take his word for it? He made the strategy famous, and did prison time for it to boot. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...p-wolf-wall-street-belfort-b1794344.htmlYeah you definitely don't get it. You have literally millions of people willing to burn a couple hundred bucks to take down hedge funds. Sure - some people will panic and sell (I guess in your eyes a pump and dump) - but the vast majority of these people that have decided "they like the stock" on these message boards and are all in until the end - again - you're listening to talking heads on TV and big money players who are getting slaughtered (or will) - not to what the PEOPLE behind the rise in GME are ACTUALLY saying. They KNOW they will lose money. It is NOT about making or losing money. It is about a message - their own words. I have no skin in this game.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 05:15 PM
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do you really think he can just do an ACH transfer of 22 million from his brokerage account to his checking account? Get real. Of course he can unless it's frozen by the law.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
[Re: Cochise]
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01/29/21 05:25 PM
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Hedge funds in this case went too far (possibly illegally) betting the stocks would go down and the people from the Reddit group bought a bunch of these stocks so the price would go up just so the hedge fund bets would lose.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 05:31 PM
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The stock market is built on fake money and lies. Just like the government.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 05:35 PM
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Reading this thread makes my head spin lol. I took a class in college on stocks etc. and enjoyed it and understood how it worked then but ive slept and drank too much since then to know anything about it now This lady does a good job of explaining stocks and hedge funds. Dont forget to unmute. https://twitter.com/avalonpenrose/status/1354496683938201600 Lmao wth was that?
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 05:38 PM
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Unless it was invested as poorly as possible, nobody's 401k even had a blip from this. Also, screw hedgefunds. In all honesty the financial market is an extreme mess and should never have gone beyond simple buying/selling stocks. There is WAY too much room for manipulation. ?? All 3 market indexs have been down because of this. Dow nasdaq and s&p. If your 401k isnt effected by any of the 3 your not in the market Mine is not effected. The markets were at an all time high like a week ago. My accounts had run up another 7% in just the last month and was at my all time high 4 days ago. A pull back is expected after a run like that. Your 401K is working as it should. Dollar cost averaging, buying lower this week than it did last week to reduce the impact of volatility.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 05:44 PM
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I dont understand the support fir the little guy against wall street while your own 401ks are nose diving
Wait a minute. The stock market crashed? When did this happen?
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 05:57 PM
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Reading this thread makes my head spin lol. I took a class in college on stocks etc. and enjoyed it and understood how it worked then but ive slept and drank too much since then to know anything about it now This lady does a good job of explaining stocks and hedge funds. Dont forget to unmute. https://twitter.com/avalonpenrose/status/1354496683938201600 for those that don't tweet, this sums it up nicely...
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 06:02 PM
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 06:05 PM
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 06:07 PM
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do you really think he can just do an ACH transfer of 22 million from his brokerage account to his checking account? Get real. Of course he can unless it's frozen by the law. Nah the only way he'll see a dime of that money is if he sues his broker,I assume Robinhood in this case. A judge will probably side with his broker and award the guy a paltry consolation prize amount for playing.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 06:10 PM
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Reading this thread makes my head spin lol. I took a class in college on stocks etc. and enjoyed it and understood how it worked then but ive slept and drank too much since then to know anything about it now This lady does a good job of explaining stocks and hedge funds. Dont forget to unmute. https://twitter.com/avalonpenrose/status/1354496683938201600 Lmao wth was that? I dont know but I'm in love with her.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 06:20 PM
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Down another 2% today and not letting up. Still along way from being over Suprised most of you are ok with it
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 06:25 PM
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Down another 2% today and not letting up. Still along way from being over Suprised most of you are ok with it I'm surprised your somehow against what happened.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
[Re: Cochise]
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01/29/21 06:28 PM
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For everyone that makes a killing, someone else will get burned. And again - you are completely MISSING the point - these "chat room millennials" are NOT out to pump and dump and make a profit. The talking heads are telling you that to protect big money. If you actually take 10 seconds to go read what they're saying you will see that. Nope. Not missing the point at all. The net game is a classic pump and dump where the late investors are going to get torched. They justify it by saying only hedge fund managers are getting burned. But that will not be the case. They are just among the folks that will get burned before it's over. If Jordon Belfort (Wolf of Wallstreet) calls it a pump and dump, will you take his word for it? He made the strategy famous, and did prison time for it to boot. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...p-wolf-wall-street-belfort-b1794344.htmlYeah you definitely don't get it. You have literally millions of people willing to burn a couple hundred bucks to take down hedge funds. Sure - some people will panic and sell (I guess in your eyes a pump and dump) - but the vast majority of these people that have decided "they like the stock" on these message boards and are all in until the end - again - you're listening to talking heads on TV and big money players who are getting slaughtered (or will) - not to what the PEOPLE behind the rise in GME are ACTUALLY saying. They KNOW they will lose money. It is NOT about making or losing money. It is about a message - their own words. I have no skin in this game. That is an incredibly stupid position to take. "I don't care if I lose it all, as long as I make a point." Retarded. Read the reddit threads. These people are investing money they don't have. The ones that got in this early are all out, I guarantee you. In the end, the stock crashes, the hedge funds that have been covering up the whole way still make their money and the last individuals that got in get slaughtered. Just my opinion of course.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 06:32 PM
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For everyone that makes a killing, someone else will get burned. And again - you are completely MISSING the point - these "chat room millennials" are NOT out to pump and dump and make a profit. The talking heads are telling you that to protect big money. If you actually take 10 seconds to go read what they're saying you will see that. Nope. Not missing the point at all. The net game is a classic pump and dump where the late investors are going to get torched. They justify it by saying only hedge fund managers are getting burned. But that will not be the case. They are just among the folks that will get burned before it's over. If Jordon Belfort (Wolf of Wallstreet) calls it a pump and dump, will you take his word for it? He made the strategy famous, and did prison time for it to boot. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...p-wolf-wall-street-belfort-b1794344.htmlPoint is these micro investors are expecting to loose money. They all know there is a fall, company financial support it. Most probably did it on stimulas money.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
[Re: swampthang]
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01/29/21 06:34 PM
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do you really think he can just do an ACH transfer of 22 million from his brokerage account to his checking account? Get real. Of course he can unless it's frozen by the law. Nah the only way he'll see a dime of that money is if he sues his broker,I assume Robinhood in this case. A judge will probably side with his broker and award the guy a paltry consolation prize amount for playing. It's going to get real swampy between Melvin, Citidal, and Robin Hood..... Especially with the new Sec of Treasury and her 900k in speaking engagements
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 06:37 PM
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In the short term, what the Reddit guys did to the market is funny, and cost a lot of rich hedge fund managers and their clients billions. But the SEC will need to make changes to avoid these astronomical unwarranted swings in the future. It's essentially "pump and dump" using social media which is illegal and unethical. For everyone that makes a killing, someone else will get burned. We can't have a bunch of millennials sitting in chat rooms causing false runs (or sales) on a stock they want to profit from. In the long run this really will end up impacting peoples 401Ks and IRA's. The ripple effect is already being seen in the global markets as groups in asia and europe are copying the same "short targeting" strategies as fast as they can before the local authorities shut it down. Just my .02 cents folks. I disagree, it's same things instructional investors have done for year's to each other. The biggest difference is Reddit guys didn't release any bad press etc to do any thing to cause a short of the stock. They simply noticed there was an abnormallly large % of short positions compared to shares. No different the montleyfool or any other firm advising a stock is oversold or a bargain. Completely agree. Trading houses are market movers for the retail market. In other words, BoA/ML puts out a buy recommendation for Company X, but BoA/ML already purchased that before they put out the buy rec. Retail investors then go off that market news and may or may not purchase. Guaranteed BoA/ML sells Company X before downgrading. What's the difference with the reddit issue? It's the exact same thing.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 06:40 PM
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[ That is an incredibly stupid position to take. "I don't care if I lose it all, as long as I make a point." Retarded. Read the reddit threads. These people are investing money they don't have. The ones that got in this early are all out, I guarantee you. In the end, the stock crashes, the hedge funds that have been covering up the whole way still make their money and the last individuals that got in get slaughtered. Just my opinion of course. It's not about the position, most expected to loose money, you can still sell right now, and make your money. They will hold though until option periods expire, thus screwing those holding massive short contracts.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
[Re: TLew]
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01/29/21 06:41 PM
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In the short term, what the Reddit guys did to the market is funny, and cost a lot of rich hedge fund managers and their clients billions. But the SEC will need to make changes to avoid these astronomical unwarranted swings in the future. It's essentially "pump and dump" using social media which is illegal and unethical. For everyone that makes a killing, someone else will get burned. We can't have a bunch of millennials sitting in chat rooms causing false runs (or sales) on a stock they want to profit from. In the long run this really will end up impacting peoples 401Ks and IRA's. The ripple effect is already being seen in the global markets as groups in asia and europe are copying the same "short targeting" strategies as fast as they can before the local authorities shut it down. Just my .02 cents folks. I disagree, it's same things instructional investors have done for year's to each other. The biggest difference is Reddit guys didn't release any bad press etc to do any thing to cause a short of the stock. They simply noticed there was an abnormallly large % of short positions compared to shares. No different the montleyfool or any other firm advising a stock is oversold or a bargain. Completely agree. Trading houses are market movers for the retail market. In other words, BoA/ML puts out a buy recommendation for Company X, but BoA/ML already purchased that before they put out the buy rec. Retail investors then go off that market news and may or may not purchase. Guaranteed BoA/ML sells Company X before downgrading. What's the difference with the reddit issue? It's the exact same thing. agree. good for them!
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
[Re: TLew]
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01/29/21 06:42 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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In the short term, what the Reddit guys did to the market is funny, and cost a lot of rich hedge fund managers and their clients billions. But the SEC will need to make changes to avoid these astronomical unwarranted swings in the future. It's essentially "pump and dump" using social media which is illegal and unethical. For everyone that makes a killing, someone else will get burned. We can't have a bunch of millennials sitting in chat rooms causing false runs (or sales) on a stock they want to profit from. In the long run this really will end up impacting peoples 401Ks and IRA's. The ripple effect is already being seen in the global markets as groups in asia and europe are copying the same "short targeting" strategies as fast as they can before the local authorities shut it down. Just my .02 cents folks. I disagree, it's same things instructional investors have done for year's to each other. The biggest difference is Reddit guys didn't release any bad press etc to do any thing to cause a short of the stock. They simply noticed there was an abnormallly large % of short positions compared to shares. No different the montleyfool or any other firm advising a stock is oversold or a bargain. Completely agree. Trading houses are market movers for the retail market. In other words, BoA/ML puts out a buy recommendation for Company X, but BoA/ML already purchased that before they put out the buy rec. Retail investors then go off that market news and may or may not purchase. Guaranteed BoA/ML sells Company X before downgrading. What's the difference with the reddit issue? It's the exact same thing. 100x. You are about to see whom is really funded by Wall Street.
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Re: Dont understand anti hedge fund
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01/29/21 06:43 PM
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