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Re: Straight-pull rifles
[Re: Texas Dan]
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01/05/21 04:48 PM
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My Blaser R8 has superb accuracy and lockup. Can be taken down with barrel removal, scope mount, and trigger and carried in the small pelican case it is shipped with then reassembled back to zero over and over. I always disassemble it and put it back in its case and it shoots out to 800 with ease and consistency every time.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
[Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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01/05/21 04:53 PM
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I'm sure they tested the hell out of that thing or else the lawyers wouldn't have signed off on it. However, it is still a scary thought that if it didn't quite lock 100% and it managed to fire, you'd be eating the bolt. No chance of that with a turn-bolt rifle. Can you fire a turn bolt rifle with the bolt partially turned? Can you fire it without turning the bolt?
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 04:54 PM
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I wonder if this Savage will eject shells reliably? Well, it's not a shotgun, so probably not.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 05:01 PM
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I wonder if this Savage will eject shells reliably? Well, it's not a shotgun, so probably not. Oh, good lord. I wonder if this Savage will eject casings reliably?
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 05:06 PM
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I wonder if this Savage will eject shells reliably? Well, it's not a shotgun, so probably not. Oh, good lord. I wonder if this Savage will eject casings reliably? Like sausage?
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 05:09 PM
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I wonder if this Savage will eject shells reliably? Well, it's not a shotgun, so probably not. Oh, good lord. I wonder if this Savage will eject casings reliably? Like sausage? Brass casing? What do you want me to call it? I know that "shell" is the "clip" of magazine speak, and I am guilty as charged. But I guess I haven't hit your correct word yet. LOL.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 05:10 PM
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Time will tell......but kudos to them for trying to evolve into something better......
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
[Re: Texas Dan]
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01/05/21 05:14 PM
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Brass casing? What do you want me to call it? I know that "shell" is the "clip" of magazine speak, and I am guilty as charged. But I guess I haven't hit your correct word yet. LOL. Brass...
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 05:30 PM
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Brass casing? What do you want me to call it? I know that "shell" is the "clip" of magazine speak, and I am guilty as charged. But I guess I haven't hit your correct word yet. LOL. Brass... You must mean like this then no? Ahhh yeah playing your stupid game is fun... not.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
[Re: Texas Dan]
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01/05/21 05:36 PM
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My BIL used to shoot a sporterized 7.5mm Swiss Schmidt-Rubin. He loved that rifle. Killed lots of hogs and deer. His grandson still hunts with it. The Swiss used these for service rifles for over to 60 years.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 05:42 PM
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I ain't trusting the lock up on that thing.
3 lug, 60° bolt throw is as good as it gets. With practice, one can cycle it faster than the dude in the video that broke his cheek weld (common error) to cycle the bolt.
+50,000 psi, and hoping it goes down the barrel and not toward the shooter. Just to poke the bear a little...and this how progress doesn't happen. Seriously though, I have always liked the concept of the straight pull rifle. You can count me interested in this one, it's gimmicky enough to grab my attention. Lords knows I like Savages for what they are. I tend to agree with FJ, but this is one where I kinda would like to be proved wrong. Try cycling a Savage quickly!!! If we are in an era where "everything is being lawyerized," then I am going to give Savage the benefit of the doubt and say they would not release a product that wasn't sufficient to the design pressures. Savage ain't done me wrong yet. So that's the safety aspect. The accuracy is certainly suspect with so many locking points. I like it, maybe not enough to be the first on this forum to get it but I may down the road.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
[Re: Texas Dan]
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01/05/21 05:46 PM
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I'm with Jason, gonna pass.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 05:48 PM
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My Blaser R8 has superb accuracy and lockup. Can be taken down with barrel removal, scope mount, and trigger and carried in the small pelican case it is shipped with then reassembled back to zero over and over. I always disassemble it and put it back in its case and it shoots out to 800 with ease and consistency every time. I just placed my R8 order yesterday. Been a long time in the making and I couldn’t be more excited. Sure Savage ain’t no Blaser but kudos to them for trying something different. Some will like it others will not. It’s great to have options and options at different price points.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 06:56 PM
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After eating Payne's sausage I don't know if I can go back to the regular store bought stuff. "Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, and more money" Tom T Hall
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 06:59 PM
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They should have spent the R&D money they burned up in this to improve the existing crap they already have. But to be honest this action is a lot better looking than the other.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 07:44 PM
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I've got two Blaser R8s and think they're simply amazing. A good straight pull design is just as safe as any other rifle, the Swiss K31 being the perfect example of this. I do agree that you have less camming power with the straight pull, so no oversized cases and no crazy hot loads or ejection may be interesting, but that's not an unreasonable limitation on the design.
It will also be interesting to see how Savage fares in the $1200-$1500 price range ...
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 07:53 PM
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I've done the same with my thermal 150 yds 1x bolt Rem 700 .308 / HS / Timney Calvin Elite/ 5R
3 hogs in the dark in less than 3 seconds
Please tell me your thermal has recording ability and that you can post the vid of this. I'd love to see it. .
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 08:15 PM
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Straight-pull bolts are nothing new, and not limited to the Blaser The Browning T Bolt 22 had it back in the late 60's, the God-awful ugly Mauser 96 more recently. Savage may put out ugly (and some consider crappy) rifles, but they aren't going to put out one with a chance of blowing the bolt back through your eye socket.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 09:09 PM
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I've got two Blaser R8s and think they're simply amazing. A good straight pull design is just as safe as any other rifle, the Swiss K31 being the perfect example of this. I do agree that you have less camming power with the straight pull, so no oversized cases and no crazy hot loads or ejection may be interesting, but that's not an unreasonable limitation on the design.
It will also be interesting to see how Savage fares in the $1200-$1500 price range ... Yes but that last press of the bolt handle on the R8 and you know she's secure.
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After eating Payne's sausage I don't know if I can go back to the regular store bought stuff. "Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, and more money" Tom T Hall
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 09:18 PM
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I've got two Blaser R8s and think they're simply amazing. A good straight pull design is just as safe as any other rifle, the Swiss K31 being the perfect example of this. I do agree that you have less camming power with the straight pull, so no oversized cases and no crazy hot loads or ejection may be interesting, but that's not an unreasonable limitation on the design.
It will also be interesting to see how Savage fares in the $1200-$1500 price range ... Yes but that last press of the bolt handle on the R8 and you know she's secure. For those of us who have only dreamed of firing a Blaser, what is the last press of the bolt handle you refer too? It appears that the savage has some type of ratchet/pivot also in the bolt handle, or are you saying the Blaser has some other feature?
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 10:03 PM
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Think of that bolt lock up like an air chuck, then thru the center is the firing pin, imagine how cruddy that bolt would get and how tedious it would be to clean. I would also imagine that you can't remove those little ball bearings to clean in and around their pockets.
Secondly, whether you are pushing a bolt handle down or pushing it forward to lock up, the amount of cycle time reduction is minimal.
Plus an aluminum receiver with 4 locking bolts squeezing the barrel extension doesn't make me believe it's more rigid than a traditional bolt action.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 10:23 PM
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I've done the same with my thermal 150 yds 1x bolt Rem 700 .308 / HS / Timney Calvin Elite/ 5R
3 hogs in the dark in less than 3 seconds
Please tell me your thermal has recording ability and that you can post the vid of this. I'd love to see it. . I've done it with a Savage 110 in .270, using the headlights to my truck instead of a thermal. I don't doubt cabosandinh
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 10:39 PM
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I wonder what they did to improve the extractor
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 10:40 PM
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I've done the same with my thermal 150 yds 1x bolt Rem 700 .308 / HS / Timney Calvin Elite/ 5R
3 hogs in the dark in less than 3 seconds
Please tell me your thermal has recording ability and that you can post the vid of this. I'd love to see it. . I've done it with a Savage 110 in .270, using the headlights to my truck instead of a thermal. I don't doubt cabosandinh Friend of mine asked me if I could have two bullets in the air at the same time, before the first one got to the steel at 1000 yards. I did.
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Re: Straight-pull rifles
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01/05/21 10:47 PM
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I too am interested. I own a Savage model 16. It is butt ugly and will shoot like a mother. I like it, however there is considerable slop when cycling the bolt. Maybe Savage has listened to customer feedback. They are also one upping the 60 degree Tikka with 0 degree and they actually make a short action that so many are enamored with today. The accuracy of their rifles has never been in question. Worth a look to me. Savage rifles remind me of the homely girl that wins popularity contests because you know they put out....
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