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Re: 6.5x284 thoughts [Re: Big red] #8062427 11/24/20 12:57 PM
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Currently having one built by West Texas Ordinance. It should be done any time.



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Thank you! That’s good information!

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Originally Posted by Big red
Thank you! That’s good information!


A buddy of mine used his as the camp gun as an elk, mule deer bear outfitter. It works, and was a great alternative to people showing up with cartridges they couldn’t handle. He had a load worked up and never bought OTC ammo.

Think in a pinch one time he bought some of copper creek ammo loads that worked well.

This was before Creedmoor and PRC. I think ammo option wise you are better off with either those two


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Some numbers for fastest listed hand load for a 143 eld-x from Hodgdon. Just a single data point for reference

6.5x284 - 2792
6.5/-06 - 2826
260 - 2791
6.5cm - 2795

Or listed speeds with quantity of h4350
6.5x284 - 2760 - 46.2gr
6.5/-06 - 2752 - 46.2gr
260 - 2759 - 42.9gr <- not to mention 260ai if going for coolness factor
6.5cm - 2770 - 40.0 compressed

I'm having a hard time seeing the point of 6.5x284 unless it's just some cartridge you wanted. The 2 other short actions can be built on long actions for longer bullets too and take about 10-20% less powder. Not to mention just thing like brass and loaded ammo selection.

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Originally Posted by Big red
Do you have one? Or have had one?


Yes, I have one and have had it since 2011, when the barrel is shot out it will get another in the same caliber.


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Re: 6.5x284 thoughts [Re: Korean Redneck] #8062656 11/24/20 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Korean Redneck
Some numbers for fastest listed hand load for a 143 eld-x from Hodgdon. Just a single data point for reference

6.5x284 - 2792
6.5/-06 - 2826
260 - 2791
6.5cm - 2795

Or listed speeds with quantity of h4350
6.5x284 - 2760 - 46.2gr
6.5/-06 - 2752 - 46.2gr
260 - 2759 - 42.9gr <- not to mention 260ai if going for coolness factor
6.5cm - 2770 - 40.0 compressed

I'm having a hard time seeing the point of 6.5x284 unless it's just some cartridge you wanted. The 2 other short actions can be built on long actions for longer bullets too and take about 10-20% less powder. Not to mention just thing like brass and loaded ammo selection.

Im only guessing that there are some major shortcomings in that data, no fault of yours, just that its really of no value.


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Re: 6.5x284 thoughts [Re: Big red] #8062735 11/24/20 04:38 PM
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it was just one data point. I'm not, or ever, arguing that Hodgdon is the be all end all. But they are tested and published data by probably the single largest manufacturer of retail powder. You just don't know how they normalize their testing. It's certainly better than anecdotal evidence that person xxx says their gun yyy is "the flattest shooting thing."

No value to you, fine you don't like Hodgdon data. Again I'm a numbers nerd so in the absence of better data, rather use it than nothing. You could say they're conservative or whatnot, but wouldn't that mean all the calibers are equally conservative? Just taking the data to relatively compare velocities. If anyone has some numbers based argument then I'd love to see it. I'd give as much credit to a person here saying they measured with eir rifles and loads and got velocities xxx as i would Hodgdon. Otherwise, seems like alot of platitudes without alot of substance as to why 6.5x284 is preferred.

Just arguing for the sake of arguing. Whatever, aint my moneys.

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Originally Posted by redchevy
Originally Posted by Korean Redneck
Some numbers for fastest listed hand load for a 143 eld-x from Hodgdon. Just a single data point for reference

6.5x284 - 2792
6.5/-06 - 2826
260 - 2791
6.5cm - 2795

Or listed speeds with quantity of h4350
6.5x284 - 2760 - 46.2gr
6.5/-06 - 2752 - 46.2gr
260 - 2759 - 42.9gr <- not to mention 260ai if going for coolness factor
6.5cm - 2770 - 40.0 compressed

I'm having a hard time seeing the point of 6.5x284 unless it's just some cartridge you wanted. The 2 other short actions can be built on long actions for longer bullets too and take about 10-20% less powder. Not to mention just thing like brass and loaded ammo selection.

Im only guessing that there are some major shortcomings in that data, no fault of yours, just that its really of no value.


6.5-284, I would expect well north of 2900 fps MV. More like 3k being possible. And I wouldn't use H-4350 as my first pick.

To put that in perspective, George's .280 A.I. had a 162 gr 7mm coming out at 2930 fps MV, on a new 24" barrel. The .280 A.I. and .284 Win cases have similar case capacities.


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Re: 6.5x284 thoughts [Re: redchevy] #8062802 11/24/20 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by redchevy
Originally Posted by Korean Redneck
Some numbers for fastest listed hand load for a 143 eld-x from Hodgdon. Just a single data point for reference

6.5x284 - 2792
6.5/-06 - 2826
260 - 2791
6.5cm - 2795

Or listed speeds with quantity of h4350
6.5x284 - 2760 - 46.2gr
6.5/-06 - 2752 - 46.2gr
260 - 2759 - 42.9gr <- not to mention 260ai if going for coolness factor
6.5cm - 2770 - 40.0 compressed

I'm having a hard time seeing the point of 6.5x284 unless it's just some cartridge you wanted. The 2 other short actions can be built on long actions for longer bullets too and take about 10-20% less powder. Not to mention just thing like brass and loaded ammo selection.

Im only guessing that there are some major shortcomings in that data, no fault of yours, just that its really of no value.


Agree with you, those max loads are low, at least for most rifles.

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Re: 6.5x284 thoughts [Re: redchevy] #8062921 11/24/20 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by redchevy
Originally Posted by Korean Redneck
Some numbers for fastest listed hand load for a 143 eld-x from Hodgdon. Just a single data point for reference

6.5x284 - 2792
6.5/-06 - 2826
260 - 2791
6.5cm - 2795

Or listed speeds with quantity of h4350
6.5x284 - 2760 - 46.2gr
6.5/-06 - 2752 - 46.2gr
260 - 2759 - 42.9gr <- not to mention 260ai if going for coolness factor
6.5cm - 2770 - 40.0 compressed

I'm having a hard time seeing the point of 6.5x284 unless it's just some cartridge you wanted. The 2 other short actions can be built on long actions for longer bullets too and take about 10-20% less powder. Not to mention just thing like brass and loaded ammo selection.

Im only guessing that there are some major shortcomings in that data, no fault of yours, just that its really of no value.


Probably still representative since they are low across the board


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I’ve never loaded for any of those cartridges but if I were a betting man... I’d say the 6.5-06 and 6.5-284 would handily win any races when pushed similarly.


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Originally Posted by redchevy
I’ve never loaded for any of those cartridges but if I were a betting man... I’d say the 6.5-06 and 6.5-284 would handily win any races when pushed similarly.


They would. Probably 100 fps faster out of the gate, than the short action versions.

When I loaded for my .260 Rem, 140 gr at 2800 fps MV.
Second 6.5 Creedmoor barrel, 140 gr at 2800 fps MV.


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Originally Posted by Korean Redneck
Some numbers for fastest listed hand load for a 143 eld-x from Hodgdon. Just a single data point for reference

6.5x284 - 2792
6.5/-06 - 2826
260 - 2791
6.5cm - 2795

Or listed speeds with quantity of h4350
6.5x284 - 2760 - 46.2gr
6.5/-06 - 2752 - 46.2gr
260 - 2759 - 42.9gr <- not to mention 260ai if going for coolness factor
6.5cm - 2770 - 40.0 compressed

I'm having a hard time seeing the point of 6.5x284 unless it's just some cartridge you wanted. The 2 other short actions can be built on long actions for longer bullets too and take about 10-20% less powder. Not to mention just thing like brass and loaded ammo selection.


My 6.5x284 is running 2950 with 140 Bergers and 4831sc.
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Originally Posted by Birdhunter61
Originally Posted by Korean Redneck
Some numbers for fastest listed hand load for a 143 eld-x from Hodgdon. Just a single data point for reference

6.5x284 - 2792
6.5/-06 - 2826
260 - 2791
6.5cm - 2795

Or listed speeds with quantity of h4350
6.5x284 - 2760 - 46.2gr
6.5/-06 - 2752 - 46.2gr
260 - 2759 - 42.9gr <- not to mention 260ai if going for coolness factor
6.5cm - 2770 - 40.0 compressed

I'm having a hard time seeing the point of 6.5x284 unless it's just some cartridge you wanted. The 2 other short actions can be built on long actions for longer bullets too and take about 10-20% less powder. Not to mention just thing like brass and loaded ammo selection.


My 6.5x284 is running 2950 with 140 Bergers and 4831sc.
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Mine is also running 2950-2970 with a 140 eld, 140 vld, 142 smk around 51 grains of 4831.
H4350 the load that shoots is 49.6 grains and in a 30” barrel goes 3200 but it’s a short lived load around 1,000-1,200 rounds max I shot one barrel out in 700 rounds running strings of 10 shots fast.

H1000 makes velocity in a long barrel easily, it will make 3200 pretty easy. The data in the books is extremely conservative and are good starting loads. The higher max charge loads can ruin brass in 3 loads the primer pocket will get so loose it won’t hold one.

I have a creedmoor and I can run them close to the bottom end of the 6.5-284 speeds but I can’t get over about 2820 with a powder that is safe to use in the summer time.

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Yay, more numbers. Now it's easier to see. I've never claimed to be a know it all, just smarter than the average bear at figuring new stuff out. And I only have limited info. My Nosler manual is circa 2007 and doesn't even have any creedmoor data.

It says in my Nosler manual "6.5mm - 284 Norma." Is that the same thing?

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In the late 70's I was pushing 120's at 3300 with 56.5 grains of 4350 and 140's at 3100 with 55 grains of 4350, all from a 26 inch barrel.


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I would mostly be hunting deer maybe and elk. But kinda want to get into long range shorting


Then pick something with more barrel life. The only way to get good at it is practice.

If you're not a handloader and you want to stay with 6.5mm, the 6.5 Creedmoor was built for your exact situation. The 6.5-284 is a handloaders cartridge. The few online offerings may or mat not shoot well in your rifle, and they're pricey.

Or a 260 Remington.


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Let’s remember if the 6.5/284 and even the 260 was ideal for short actions with long high BC bullets there would not be a Creedmoor. I have recommended 6.5/284 or straight 284Win’s to friends with long actions and all are happy.
I have also warned ones with short actions.... some have even listened.


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Let’s remember if the 6.5/284 and even the 260 was ideal for short actions with long high BC bullets there would not be a Creedmoor. I have recommended 6.5/284 or straight 284Win’s to friends with long actions and all are happy.
I have also warned ones with short actions.... some have even listened.


Were I to build a non magnum so called long range rifle I'd build a 284 Win.


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Let’s remember if the 6.5/284 and even the 260 was ideal for short actions with long high BC bullets there would not be a Creedmoor. I have recommended 6.5/284 or straight 284Win’s to friends with long actions and all are happy.
I have also warned ones with short actions.... some have even listened.


Were I to build a non magnum so called long range rifle I'd build a 284 Win.


Especially since lapua is now going to make straight 284 brass...

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