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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: SR025]
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10/07/20 05:03 PM
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Tactical Cowboy
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Guess it’s time to elect biden Jorgensen then FIFY
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: texjitter]
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10/07/20 05:31 PM
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Clayton1
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Sounds like they just upset the wrong person. Their brace is exclusive through SB Tactical, but other than shape and color it is the same as the other SB braces.
It was a matter of time, but I thought the Springfield .308 would have been the breaking point.
At one time there was a letter, if I remember correctly it was on the SB website at one time.
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: texjitter]
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10/07/20 07:34 PM
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I don’t see how this could NOT be an SBR:
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: texjitter]
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10/07/20 08:44 PM
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Doesn’t look much different than my PDW brace from Strike Industries. Mine doesn’t even have a Velcro loop on it. The laws are dumb as hell between the two. You can have a pistol brace (basically a stock with some Velcro on it) and shoulder it per ATF letters, yet a stock makes it a super dangerous assassin weapon. They need to do away with braces and remove suppressors and SBR’s from NFA and the ATF and us wouldn’t have to deal with this ignorance.
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: texjitter]
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10/07/20 08:47 PM
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Pistol on top SBR on bottom. Exact same caliber pretty much exact same gun but one requires a stamp and the other doesn’t. [censored] is ludicrous
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: KRoyal]
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10/07/20 09:44 PM
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Tactical Cowboy
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Doesn’t look much different than my PDW brace from Strike Industries. Mine doesn’t even have a Velcro loop on it. The laws are dumb as hell between the two. You can have a pistol brace (basically a stock with some Velcro on it) and shoulder it per ATF letters, yet a stock makes it a super dangerous assassin weapon. They need to do away with braces and remove suppressors and SBR’s from NFA and the ATF and us wouldn’t have to deal with this ignorance. 100%
The secret to a long life is to try not to shorten it.
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: texjitter]
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10/07/20 09:47 PM
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I’m not arguing the ridiculousness of the current rules, I completely agree. I am just saying that installing an extending “brace” on a pistol sure makes it appear to be an SBR under those rules. That’s what I believe got Q in hot water.
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: texjitter]
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10/07/20 10:08 PM
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Judd
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KRoyal....don't try to make sense of the bureaucratic BS, it'll just drive you crazy and in the end you'll feel dumber because of it. Truth is much like the trusts on suppressors (which I use to the fullest), the pistols are a loophole that have been exploited and we are one shooting away from losing them both in my opinion. Enjoy riding the wave while we're able.
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: texjitter]
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10/07/20 10:57 PM
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I wonder if the ATFE somehow view the fixed cheek piece (buffer tube cover) combined with the sliding "brace" as being too close to a stock.
SB's original PDW brace didn't have that fixed cheek piece, just the usual metal tube.
Probably futile trying to read the mind of some Boston agent, but that's the only real difference I can see between the naughty brace and the PDW, SBA3 and SBA4.
Length of pull might be longer on the naughty brace as well, but hard to determine from a picture.
Either way, my pistols will still be pistols if all the braces disappear, but maybe I should stock up on foam sleeves.
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: texjitter]
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10/08/20 02:57 AM
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: texjitter]
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10/08/20 04:20 AM
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mudd
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AR pistol with a brace is kinda a joke honestly. U still have to shoulder it cause most ain’t going to shoot off the hip. Then others won’t register it as a SBR to avoid a stamp and wait time. Kinda agree with the ruling honestly. Take the brace off if u wanna call it a “pistol” AR
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: mudd]
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10/08/20 04:31 AM
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AR pistol with a brace is kinda a joke honestly. U still have to shoulder it cause most ain’t going to shoot off the hip. Then others won’t register it as a SBR to avoid a stamp and wait time. Kinda agree with the ruling honestly. Take the brace off if u wanna call it a “pistol” AR ATF said it was ok to shoulder them soooo......
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: mudd]
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10/08/20 04:32 AM
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AR pistol with a brace is kinda a joke honestly. U still have to shoulder it cause most ain’t going to shoot off the hip. Then others won’t register it as a SBR to avoid a stamp and wait time. Kinda agree with the ruling honestly. Take the brace off if u wanna call it a “pistol” AR Here’s a thought.... How about we do away with all firearms restrictions? You know, infringement and stuff.
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: mudd]
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10/08/20 01:36 PM
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AR pistol with a brace is kinda a joke honestly. U still have to shoulder it cause most ain’t going to shoot off the hip. Then others won’t register it as a SBR to avoid a stamp and wait time. Kinda agree with the ruling honestly. Take the brace off if u wanna call it a “pistol” AR There isn't any need to shoulder an AR pistol to shoot it accurately, they don't have any recoil to speak of, unless you've built one in .450 or .458. A good cheek weld is all you NEED, and that is easy with the buffer tube. I'm not a fan of bolt action rifles, but if the ATFE reclassified them as sniper rifles and issued a rule adding them to the NFA registry, I wouldn't readily agree,
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: texjitter]
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10/08/20 02:00 PM
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The Dude Abides
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My Vector 9mm pistol stock w/ 'Tail Hook" arm brace has the perfect cheek weld. No reason to shoulder whatsoever.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: Sneaky]
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10/08/20 02:19 PM
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AR pistol with a brace is kinda a joke honestly. U still have to shoulder it cause most ain’t going to shoot off the hip. Then others won’t register it as a SBR to avoid a stamp and wait time. Kinda agree with the ruling honestly. Take the brace off if u wanna call it a “pistol” AR Here’s a thought.... How about we do away with all firearms restrictions? You know, infringement and stuff. But think of the children!!!
The secret to a long life is to try not to shorten it.
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: Sneaky]
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10/08/20 03:21 PM
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AR pistol with a brace is kinda a joke honestly. U still have to shoulder it cause most ain’t going to shoot off the hip. Then others won’t register it as a SBR to avoid a stamp and wait time. Kinda agree with the ruling honestly. Take the brace off if u wanna call it a “pistol” AR Here’s a thought.... How about we do away with all firearms restrictions? You know, infringement and stuff. You were nicer than I was going to be. He must not understand what freedom actually is.
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: The Dude Abides]
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10/08/20 04:09 PM
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My Vector 9mm pistol stock w/ 'Tail Hook" arm brace has the perfect cheek weld. No reason to shoulder whatsoever. Sweet!
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: texjitter]
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10/09/20 04:05 PM
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
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10/09/20 11:13 PM
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Re: There goes AR "pistols"
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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10/11/20 06:56 PM
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Doesn’t look much different than my PDW brace from Strike Industries. Mine doesn’t even have a Velcro loop on it. The laws are dumb as hell between the two. You can have a pistol brace (basically a stock with some Velcro on it) and shoulder it per ATF letters, yet a stock makes it a super dangerous assassin weapon. They need to do away with braces and remove suppressors and SBR’s from NFA and the ATF and us wouldn’t have to deal with this ignorance. 100% Things learned on HF...
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